There is not one single logical argument against homosexuality.

Posted by: Zylorarchy

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  • Every single so called logical argument against homosexuality can be proven wrong. For example: 1) "Homosexuality is a choice" - Really? Every single piece of scientific evidence and essence of common sense dictates otherwise. 2) "Homosexuality is not natural" - It is found in over 400 animal species. 3) "Homosexuality is morally wrong" - Why? What exactly is morally wrong about same-sex relationships? 4) "If homosexuality is ok, surely according to you, so it paedophilia, incest and bestiality" - Homosexuality causes no harm to ones health. Paedophilia does as a child cannot truly consent to such relationships, this is why the age of consent exists. Incest can results to very serious health problems and ultimately leads to genetic degradation. Bestiality again, there is the issue of consent, something of which an animal can never give. Not to mention it is predicted that many, modern day STD's originally "began" because of sexual intercourse with animals. Diseases with were harmless to them, were passed onto, and caused harm to humans. 5) "My religion says it's wrong" - Just because an ancient (often very outdated) institution, which has very little real knowledge on the subject, says it is wrong, does not make that institution right.

  • It is like saying there is not single one logical argument against pigeon. It doesn't even mean anything. Maybe you meant - There is not one single logical argument against legalizing homosexual marriage? OR There is not one single logical argument against having homosexual sex? OR There is not one single logical argument against falling in love with same sex person?

  • Science clearly states the reason for sexual attraction is reproduction and therefore, we are given several possible reasons for sexuality: 1. It is a disorder, caused by something physically in our brains that screws with gender recognition 2. Homosexuality - as an action - may be caused because of an individuals inability to recognize that a mate is a member of the same sex, or the other individual is simply androgynous enough to cause attraction by the same sex 3. Homosexuality has some mechanism, possibly as a mechanism for population control. However, this would not explain homosexual tendencies in animals that don't have problems with over population. Therefore - whether or not there are logical pro stances - there ARE logical arguments against homosexuality.

  • To many Believers, their faith IS a logical reason. In fact, the topic of Homosexuality can make Muslims agree with Jews ... Both agree with Christians ... it becomes a valid argument whether Non-Believers acknowledge it or not.

  • The nature of human bodies. The shape of a penis and a vagina clearly shows us they were meant to be together. This is basically the only 100% sound argument against homosexuality.

  • I think the only logical argument, if you don't believe in religious nonsense, is that homosexuality is against our purpose as a species. As a species our technical goal is to reproduce and then die. However, homosexuality is considered a variable as it is nature's way of slightly keeping the human population down. I mean, I'm fairly certain that other species has homosexuals, but that means that those homosexuals are still against the specie's purpose since they can't reproduce.

  • Im Bi, and there are plenty of reasons why its not a great idea to end up with another girl

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SweetTea says2014-08-04T04:29:46.6164091-05:00
Zylorarchy ... Hon, I love ya, but you do realize that just because no one offers what you consider a viable argument against homosexuality doesn't mean there isn't one. It doesn't even mean that they agree, or approve. If ever two subjects have been thoroughly exhausted on a site, it's Homosexuality & Religion on DDO. Members are tired of it. And mocking someone's faith, to prove your point, isn't going to impress many. Personally, I find it humorous that you mention 400 animal species to argue homosexuality is natural. Most humans don't want to be reminded that we are Mammalia -- more specifically Primates (Class). And you completely avoided remarks by the Medical community, so I added a few links ... Homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness. Even now, it is considered a "disorder". There seems to be strong links between Homosexuality and Cluster B Disorders, too. Http://www.Neatorama.Com/2008/03/07/trivia-homosexuality-was-diagnosed-by-the-american-psychiatric-association-as-a-mental-illness-until-1973/#!BvdKsK, http://www.Psychforums.Com/histrionic-personality/topic141394.Html, http://www.Counselling-directory.Org.Uk/personality.Html, http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/pmc/articles/PMC3156616/
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T05:29:32.8594646-05:00
SweetTea: 1) "Hon, I love ya" - I am not sure what you're implying here? You saying you agree with my other views? Lol. 2) I could quote, but then a huge chunk is essentially dedicated to you saying how there well could be a good reason for being against homosexuality, people are tired of talking about it and that people won't be impressed with me mocking faith. Well... Yes one day they could come up with a logical argument against it, anything is possible, but so far they have not. You and americanfascist both claim it is down to mental disorder, a claim that I see often rejected in favour of genetic (even if only partly genetic) factors, or potentially other (non-choice) factors such as conditions in the womb even) and environmental and social factors. (I shall post links at the end). 3) "Most humans don't want to be reminded that we are Mammalia" - Surely that backs up what I say about the 400 animal species if you are saying humans are animals. 5) I would like to conclude, I have seen you yourself state that while you believe, you respect homosexuals (I do not know specifically if you disagree with it or not although you are "Pro" Gay marriage on your profile). Why can't other Christians simply be like this? Or better yet, openly accept homosexuality. Christianity is changing and there is increasing acceptance, as there is in the West in general. I personally think that one day, in the far future, that the world will probably be as intolerant towards homophobia as it is against racism now.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T05:30:47.0375802-05:00
1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2559021/Being-gay-DNA-researchers-claim-controversial-new-study.html 2) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/male-homosexuality-influenced-by-genes-us-study-finds-9127683.html
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T05:36:38.0456411-05:00
Cold-Mind: If you wish to have it in that format (though according to some merely being a homosexual is a "crime"). However, in that form (to clarify) perhaps a better title would be "There is no logical reason to be against consensual homosexual activity". Though I think that title is not really necessary (due to my first sentence).
Haroush says2014-08-04T05:38:54.0855484-05:00
What if you are RH - at Sweet Tea?
SweetTea says2014-08-04T05:56:21.5504494-05:00
Zylorarchy ... When I said, "Hon, I love ya" it was meant as I love you for who you are. I don't care what your Race is, your Gender, your Sexual preferences, etc. I wanted you to know that, before I made a post that you might have misconstrued. I have no problem with Gay marriage, but no church should be forced to conduct the ceremonies. The latter would infringe upon Freedom of Worship. One day, it will be fully accepted by churches just as inter-racial marriage ... Inter-faith marriage ... Divorce, etc., has been. But that will still require patience, till it happens. As for the Mammalia ... I just thought it was funny. Most people do not want to accept a connection between humans & other Primates. You added more species to the mix, as if that would make them feel better! LOL! Last, but not least, even if Homosexuality was widely accepted tomorrow ... Bigotry & prejudice would exist. That's the real problem.
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T08:34:19.8719995-05:00
When people use their brain instead of their emotions to draw conclusions, there is only one logical assessment of the evidence which is homosexuality is indeed a disorder and unnatural.
reece says2014-08-04T08:41:04.4653082-05:00
@SweetTea "As for the Mammalia ... I just thought it was funny. Most people do not want to accept a connection between humans & other Primates." it's because most people have to much ego.I find it pathetic.Believe it or not, we are animals and i know that you know that.
reece says2014-08-04T08:55:26.6772839-05:00
@TheMoralCompass2014 1.Where do you think emotions derive from? 2.Nothing you have said so far has sounded logical. 3.Who cares about the your conclusion "homosexuality is indeed a disorder and unnatural" where the hell is the evidence?4. Disorders are natural.
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T08:57:35.5996399-05:00
Your claim that homosexuality is not detrimental to ones health is simply false, the increased risk of AIDS; and other mental disorders is certainly detrimental to the health of homosexuals. Your understanding of sexuality as a whole is flawed as you assume in your assertions that pedophiles must act on their attraction to be pedophiles which we know is certainly untrue. Sexuality is based on ones attraction not on ones actions.
SweetTea says2014-08-04T09:00:59.6827645-05:00
Reece ... Hon, get off your high-horse & focus. I NEVER stated that humans were NOT Mammalia -- specifically Primates. I just said it's funny to use that argument. Why? Most people do NOT want to accept the connection!
reece says2014-08-04T09:13:32.9588503-05:00
@TheMoralCompass2014 None of what you just said makes any sense?
reece says2014-08-04T09:14:37.5596926-05:00
@SweetTea i know what you said.
reece says2014-08-04T09:17:23.4064819-05:00
@TheMoralCompass2014 "Sexuality is based on ones attraction not on ones actions." i agree with this though because it is fact.
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T09:54:47.7124408-05:00
I find it rather telling that nine people voted "agree" but only one (the op) has actually tried to defend their choice.
reece says2014-08-04T10:04:00.2342683-05:00
@TheMoralCompass2014 Would you try and justify your choice for not being socially/scientifically moral?
reece says2014-08-04T10:05:47.3135959-05:00
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TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T11:29:20.1460166-05:00
If simply following the factual evidence and not accepting anything aside from truth is in fact immoral then I suppose you are right young man.
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T12:10:32.8630753-05:00
@Zylorarchy, I find it extremely amusing that you thought since you could not win the argument based on facts(like when you came to my forum and I mopped the floor with your arguments) you tried a poll and are losing that as well.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T13:01:06.8718205-05:00
I cant post a single comment because of MODERATION!!!!
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T13:02:11.5506643-05:00
TheMoralCompass2014: Wow that comment posted? Anyways for some completely idiotic reason DDO refuses to let me comment anything over like... Two lines...
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T13:06:29.5796263-05:00
I really cannot address your points, DDO is being stupid.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T13:07:25.4443006-05:00
They may well appear eventually (like a day after posted?) sorry if the seemingly same comment appears several times if that does happen.
reece says2014-08-04T14:08:08.5654490-05:00
@TheMoralCompass2014 What is the source of your "facts"?
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T15:05:50.8661407-05:00
@ reece. Please list anything I have stated is a fact that you would like a source for and I will be glad to provide. I need to know what facts you dispute in other words.
reece says2014-08-04T15:13:33.6898084-05:00
Why did you think this was my understanding? "Your understanding of sexuality as a whole is flawed as you assume in your assertions that pedophiles must act on their attraction to be pedophiles which we know is certainly untrue."
reece says2014-08-04T15:18:03.7879573-05:00
I know you didn't state it as a fact...
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T16:03:54.6783358-05:00
@ reece I was referring to the original poster who claimed that there was no harm to one's health by engaging in homosexual behavior. We know this is simply untrue because homosexuals are at a substantially higher risk of contracting AIDS and are also the most likely demographic to experience mental health disorders, in addition to the psychosocial disorder of homosexuality.
reece says2014-08-04T16:12:42.4832857-05:00
@TheMoralCompass2014 Okay, i'm sure you forgot to type down the name.
Haroush says2014-08-04T17:25:21.1844986-05:00
@ Reece, It still hasn't been officially concluded that those who are RH - are simply genetic mutations..
Haroush says2014-08-04T17:26:38.2806870-05:00
* are simply that because of genetic mutations..
Haroush says2014-08-04T17:30:41.8912153-05:00
I don't care what you say, there is clear evidence that goes against people being simply a result of evolution. Meaning some of our DNA has been tampered with.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T17:44:01.2817879-05:00
TheMoralCommpass2014: Sorry for the late reply, but it does appear that the "moderation" process for comments simply do not happen. The reason as to why you claim homosexuality leads to an increase in HIV/AIDS is easily answered. It has been found that An*l sex can increase your chances by 18 times in contracting HIV/AIDS from an infected partner, and this does not vary between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Of course, homosexuals have no choice (if they want sex that is), but to engage in an*l sex where as, heterosexuals are free to choose (however an*l sex is by no means rare for heterosexuals). The point is, I have not ever seen one person (who is arguing against homosexuality, argue again an*l sex. Not once. So the fact that this type of "sex" is seen as acceptable for straights but not for gays is quite hypocritical is it not when an*l sex can be potentially very harmful for BOTH groups? And unless you argue that an*l sex is wrong/unnatural etc. then your argument against homosexuality falls apart... Especially considering that all STD's can be avoided (in regards to contracting STD's from sexual activity). As for your point on mental illness. Probably true but... Do you really have to wonder why homosexuals are the "most likely demographic to experience mental health disorders" when (A) The world still is massively oppressive against gays and very homophobic and (B) Surely you can see how this will negatively impact upon the gay community? Making them feel inadequate, lower their self esteem, sending them into depression, being ashamed for who they are... No wonder homosexuals fall into mental illness when the world hates them so much.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T17:57:20.5494766-05:00
TheMoralCommpass2014: Regarding your comments on paedophiles. Did you know, being a paedophile on its own is not a crime? You insist that by pro-gays logic, that we must accept paedophilia. You then say that sexuality is not acting, but the attraction itself, which is true. But here is my point, yes being a paedophile on it's own does not actually adversely affect anyone. But can you seriously expect a paedophile (or any human) to never act on sexual desire, be it normal or abnormal? As I said in my original argument, children cannot properly consent, nor (in a lot of cases) fully understand the factors in a child-adult sexual relationship. A paedophile though, like any person, will want sex and because he or she is a paedophile, he will want this with a child. Therefore we must act to prevent this, help the paedophile and bring them into an actual sexuality, rather than a psychiatric disorder. Of course a paedophile will not necessarily lose self-control, but then what do we have? Someone who is unable to enjoy sex because of an unhealthy attraction to children. Resulting in no sex at all... Which is not right or fair. There is also, of course the aspect that since paedophilia entails a sexual attraction to children, if paedophiles were allowed to engage in such acts, children would be having sex before they were physically not ready (as well as mentally [see above]). Children in Africa, and previously in history have died due to child birth which simply could not happen at their age, not to mention the damage that could be caused internally to a child during sex itself. This is not right. Of course I could have just said paedophilia is morally wrong, but I knew you would never have accepted that, so there you go, immoral arguments against paedophilia.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-04T18:10:00.1305020-05:00
SweetTea: "Zylorarchy ... When I said, "Hon, I love ya" it was meant as I love you for who you are. I don't care what your Race is, your Gender, your Sexual preferences, etc. I wanted you to know that, before I made a post that you might have misconstrued. I have no problem with Gay marriage, but no church should be forced to conduct the ceremonies. The latter would infringe upon Freedom of Worship. One day, it will be fully accepted by churches just as inter-racial marriage ... Inter-faith marriage ... Divorce, etc., has been. But that will still require patience, till it happens. As for the Mammalia ... I just thought it was funny. Most people do not want to accept a connection between humans & other Primates. You added more species to the mix, as if that would make them feel better! LOL! Last, but not least, even if Homosexuality was widely accepted tomorrow ... Bigotry & prejudice would exist. That's the real problem." - Pretty much agree with everything you put there. :p As someone who strongly believes in equality, especially the first line! :)
TheMoralCompass2014 says2014-08-04T22:59:39.4523681-05:00
@Zylorarchy The reason as to why you claim homosexuality leads to an increase in HIV/AIDS is easily answered. It has been found that An*l sex can increase your chances by 18 times in contracting HIV/AIDS from an infected partner, and this does not vary between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Of course, homosexuals have no choice (if they want sex that is), but to engage in an*l sex where as, heterosexuals are free to choose (however an*l sex is by no means rare for heterosexuals). The point is, I have not ever seen one person (who is arguing against homosexuality, argue again an*l sex. Not once. So the fact that this type of "sex" is seen as acceptable for straights but not for gays is quite hypocritical is it not when an*l sex can be potentially very harmful for BOTH groups? And unless you argue that an*l sex is wrong/unnatural etc. then your argument against homosexuality falls apart. Just because some heterosexuals engage in this does not make it any less unnatural,as I said the anus is used to evacuate waste, not for sex. So you are saying pedophiles can change their sexuality but homosexuals can't? That is ridiculous as I am sure you are aware. You also said it is not fair to deny pedophiles sex??,wow you are way out there dude.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-05T08:45:07.3702121-05:00
TheMoralCompass2014: "Just because some heterosexuals engage in this does not make it any less unnatural,as I said the anus is used to evacuate waste, not for sex. So you are saying paedophiles can change their sexuality but homosexuals can't? That is ridiculous as I am sure you are aware. You also said it is not fair to deny paedophiles sex??,wow you are way out there dude." - I agree, I personally find an*l sex distasteful. It would be delusional to deny that the anus's primary purpose is, as you say, to evacuate waste. However, is an*l sex truly unnatural? Just like homosexuality, an*l sex is practiced also in the an*l kingdom, not to mention, has been a human practice for many centuries. In fact, up to 25% of women have experimented with an*l sex, a number that far outweighs the percentage of homosexuals. This is more common among heterosexuals than you think. Also, if an*l sex is disregarded by yourself, what about other sexual activities? What about oral sex? Oral sex can actually increase the risk of cancer from Oral HPV, a disease specifically caused by oral sex (note, this is oral HPV, not genital HPV). My point? An*l sex is not the only form of "sex" that carries risk, oral sex can lead to oral/throat cancer due to an oral specific STD. Are you against oral sex too? Whichever form of sex you perform carries risk, some more than others yes, but with the likes of HIV/AIDS, if you do not use protection, you will probably contract the virus from any form of sex. Looking at it the other way round, whether you are heterosexual or homosexual and use protection, vaginal, oral and an*l sex are all safe.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-05T08:55:57.6219167-05:00
TheMoralCompass2014: Now paedophilia. You seem to think that I think paedophiles should be allowed to have sex with children. No I did not mean that at all. I mean that they should not be denied sex, meaning we should work with paedophiles to treat their illness, in order that they can have sex with consenting adults (above the age of consent). The fact is, scientific studies have pointed out how genetics probably do account for up to 40%, of why homosexuals are homosexual. Other factors (in that same study), are estimated to be due to environmental and social factors (not mental illness). Paedophilia has been strongly associated, and connected to the functions of the brain, hence the fact it is regarded as a psychological disorder. Science however has now (now we have evidence), failed to find a link between the brain function and homosexuality, and so as you may know). Homosexuality regarded as a mental illness has been largely discarded by the medical community. Have a look at this article, it is more aimed towards disproving that paedophiles are homosexuals, but also covers how paedophilia is not a sexuality and how "Pedophilia can be viewed as a kind of sexual fetish, wherein the person requires the mental image of a child -- not necessarily a flesh-and-blood child -- to achieve sexual gratification." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-kort-phd/homosexuality-and-pedophi_b_1932622.html
JohnPaulVillamor says2014-11-04T16:25:03.8051599-06:00
The only reason why it's even found in these animal species is because it's a disorder. Homosexuality in no way advances the species.

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