Was Jesus Christ a Liberal or Conservative?

Posted by: briantheliberal

Was Jesus Christ of Nazereth, supposed son of god who was said to have fed the poor, healed the sick and disabled, opposed the wealthy, and accepted everyone regardless of their sins more liberal or conservative based on modern political standards? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkKPtUywY-8

  • Jesus was a Liberal.

  • Jesus was a Conservative.

58% 19 votes
42% 14 votes
  • If he existed, of course.

  • Liberals are generally more progressive. Jesus was crucified for being progressive

  • Promoting women's rights ans ideas of sharing wealth... Pretty liberal ideas. Generally, 'be nice to each other' tends to be a liberal idea...

  • At the time his ideas were liberal, but today being a Christian is a conservative belief and liberals are mostly agnostic or atheist. He was definitely not the latter.

  • The Irony! If fundamentalists actually read the bible they would realise Jesus wanted to eat the rich! Mathew 19:24- 'Again I tell you- it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.' He also said all those things about equality. He would probably be pro-gay marriage too. I am right wing but I am not Christian. I don't think that's a contradiction. I think it's the opposite.

  • He supported slavery...

    Posted by: Gabe1e
  • Since Jesus was mainly concerned with spiritual matters and an individual's relationship with God, the references that talk about helping the poor make more sense when attributed with private charities rather than large-scale government measures. Also, he didn't oppose the wealthy but the selfishness that can come with being rich.

  • I um.. accidentally voted on this poll, so I guess this is the most logical position?

  • He'd obviously have socially conservative positions. They're the ones supported by the Bible.

  • Jesus wouldn't support abortion (The killing of God's children) he also dislikes government, so he won't like socialism.

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briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:28:42.9143421-05:00
I would actually prefer if everyone, especially the conservative Christians who voted for the second option, to explain their position on the subject.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:30:15.5251752-05:00
Gabe1e, I said modern political standards. Slavery isn't modern.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T16:30:24.0561369-05:00
Briantheliberal: Isn't it blasphemy for a liberal anti-theist such as yourself to identify Jesus with your ideology?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:30:34.1817966-05:00
Well currently I am the only one, and I don't feel like dealing with your condescending attitude right now so I rather not.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T16:31:11.2995498-05:00
Briantheliberal: Slavery is still modern, actually. There are still an estimated 20 million to 36 million slaves worldwide.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:32:24.9716393-05:00
PetersSmith, he means with the modern Ideologies.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:36:02.6185002-05:00
PetersSmith, No, I don't believe in blasphemy. And slavery is not a modern political issue in developed countries like the United States.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:39:24.5052015-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, "I don't feel like dealing with your condescending attitude right now" - This is basically codeword for "I can't defend my side, so allow me to be a hypocrite by posting something equally condescending while accusing you of being condescending." Why did you even vote on my poll in the first place?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:42:08.7154131-05:00
"I can't defend my side, so allow me to be a hypocrite by posting something equally condescending while accusing you of being condescending." I can defend it, I just really don't feel like dealing with you condescending attitude this time, I have defended my beliefs before but I had to deal with you going on and on being constantly condescending. I personally don't feel like having a BS contest with a bigot at the moment.
triangle.128k says2015-04-11T16:44:11.7385685-05:00
I'd say he's more moderate.
Texas14 says2015-04-11T16:45:12.3257251-05:00
I'd say he was mixed.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:47:10.5664548-05:00
So again, WHY did you vote on my poll in the first place? Don't bring your bullsh-t attitude and immaturity here and falsely accuse me of being "condescending", especially when you yourself are being condescending. Take you, your immaturity, and your hypocrisy and get off my poll until you have something relevant to say instead of being pathetic and slandering me for no reason.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:49:10.6217460-05:00
Triangle and Texas, if you don't mind explaining your stances further? Why do you think he is moderate?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:55:17.4914472-05:00
"So again, WHY did you vote on my poll in the first place? Don't bring your bullsh-t attitude and immaturity here and falsely accuse me of being "condescending", especially when you yourself are being condescending. Take you, your immaturity, and your hypocrisy and get off my poll until you have something relevant to say instead of being pathetic and slandering me for no reason." I am condescending in only some of my comments, you are condescending in virtual all of yours.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:59:00.1677599-05:00
Varrack, "Jesus was mainly concerned with spiritual matters and an individual's relationship with God" - Just curious as to what this has to do with Jesus being a conservative... Also nothing about him helping the poor was privatized. He helped EVERYONE he came in contact with who needed his help. He opposed privatization of charitable services. And yes he also opposed being wealthy and even said people who are rich will have a very difficult time inheriting the kingdom of god, because they already had their version of heaven on earth. (Matthew 19:23-24)
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:59:17.9854169-05:00
Briantheliberal, I call you a bigot because your comments point to it. Definition of a bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. Are you about to tell me you are not intolerant against those with conservative opinions?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T17:01:05.0649635-05:00
"And yes he also opposed being wealthy and even said people who are rich will have a very difficult time inheriting the kingdom of god, because they already had their version of heaven on earth." This didn't show he was against them, this just shows that he said it is harder for the rich to get into heaven. If you consider the soul of your average rich person, it makes sense.
triangle.128k says2015-04-11T17:02:39.3569931-05:00
@briantheliberal Nowadays, rich people (despite stupid actors and singers) usually work hard for their money. Back then, it was different, people were born into a class. The rich were rich without any work, nowadays it's different. Most poor people are poor due to their poor work effort. Something tells me that Jesus would be less tolerant of poor people today than he was back then.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:04:28.5392934-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, when the hell have I ever been intolerant of conservative opinions? Apparently no one can disagree with you or argue against you without you falsely accusing them of bigotry. You are the real bigot here. You are intolerant towards liberal beliefs and opinions, gays and non-Christians, and the difference between you and me is that you can't even argue against any opposing viewpoints. Now again, get off my poll until you have something relevant to say that isn't blatantly hypocritical, asinine and ridiculous.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T17:07:02.1339396-05:00
Brian, I have had conversations with other liberals without any problems.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:11:42.9285396-05:00
Triangle, On average, the poor work much longer hours than their wealthier counterparts for a lot less in wages. So your claim that poor people are poor because of poor work effort is just fallacious in nature. It's not always hard work that makes someone more wealthy, just like being lazy doesn't always make someone poor. It's about connections, inheritance, social status etc. These are the major contributors of wealth in society. And if anything, entertainers work a lot harder than other wealthy people in the world today.
triangle.128k says2015-04-11T17:12:49.9922433-05:00
Yeah, McDonalds workers may work hard and longer than even a Lawyer. However, it was their choice to not get a good education. They didn't work hard enough at first, now they ended up where they are.
triangle.128k says2015-04-11T17:13:44.0134110-05:00
Also, people in charge of a billion dollar company work way harder than anybody.
triangle.128k says2015-04-11T17:15:38.4996093-05:00
By the ways, people with poor paying jobs usually require less of their brain to be used. It takes more brains to run a company over being a waiter.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:17:15.3820500-05:00
"However, it was their choice to not get a good education." - OR maybe they couldn't afford it. OR maybe they have children to look after. OR maybe they have to take care of a sick relative. OR maybe they are already paying to put someone they care about, like their children or spouse, through school to get a decent education. Among other things. So again, these assumptions are fallacious in nature.
walle_ras says2015-04-11T17:22:33.2332335-05:00
No... Jesus was a Libertarian.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:24:17.6420256-05:00
You're basically assuming you know everyone's personal situation, and using these faulty assumptions to stereotype all poor people as lazy, stupid and not deserving of respect or anything of worth. This is why I can never call myself a conservative or libertarian.
Reeseroni says2015-04-11T17:36:54.2742747-05:00
@briantheliberal (sorry to interrupt an argument I am not part of) "This is why I can never call myself a conservative or libertarian." Do you mean that you believe that because you do not fit into the conservative of libertarian party, you are defaulted into the liberal party? Thats sad );
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:44:50.0581000-05:00
Reeseroni, I clearly never said anything about being "defaulted into the liberal party"... So what are you even talking about?
Reeseroni says2015-04-11T17:50:55.0357059-05:00
The way you phrase your point, it sounds like the only reason you call yourself a liberal, is because conservatives and libertarians always think that they know everybody's personal situation - which is completely not true - and is actually a faulty assumption on your part.
Reeseroni says2015-04-11T17:51:39.2140563-05:00
This suggests to me that you find yourself in the liberal party by default.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:57:15.4967892-05:00
Reeseroni, no what's faulty is your misinterpretation of what I said. I do not exclusive identify as a liberal because of that specific reason. It's just that that reason, which is right wing in nature, doesn't correspond with what I believe, and for that reason I don't believe I can ever agree with conservatives and libertarians on that aspect, among many other things.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T17:58:07.5997872-05:00
@briantheliberal I was going through polls to quote you being intolerant to conservatives. I found a lot of them were more than 30 pages ago, so they are out dated. Since you have not said anything glaring intolerant recently, I should stop accusing you of what you said in outdated post.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:00:07.6394787-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, save it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:01:08.2047964-05:00
Save it where, I use a chromebook, there is no hard drive?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:08:06.2283236-05:00
Save it here - http://lolpirates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/What-to-do-with-your-opinion.jpg
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:10:06.3036081-05:00
Lolpirates.Com doesn't seem like a good place to go.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:12:29.9504923-05:00
K. You'll figure it out.
58539672 says2015-04-11T22:36:46.5222896-05:00
He did ride a donkey a lot, so maybe he is a liberal.
canadaray says2015-04-11T22:40:20.6395397-05:00
He was an advocate of women's rights? Really? People who say these things have simply not read the Bible, and I will bet any money that people who think of the "sanitized, re-branded Jesus" that failing religions are trying to portray today have really not read the Bible cover to cover. Guaranteed. For example, read Paul's letter to the Corinthians, about how women should not speak in church, should obey their husbands at all times, and if they have any questions about what they hear in church, they should wait until they get home and then ask their husbands. Gee, that sounds like equal rights to me!
triangle.128k says2015-04-12T10:18:25.7149235-05:00
@briantheliberal If they can't currently afford it, they can go to a college and pay loans after they graduate and get a job. If they have children to look after, it was their fault to have children early. It was their fault to raise a family before they went to college.
Wylted says2015-04-12T11:20:07.3859420-05:00
Charity is actually a conservative value. Liberals believe people should have their money stolen and given to the poor, but Jesus believed in charity.
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T16:19:06.3134324-05:00
Triangle, Conservatives also believe in taking away student loads and any form of financial assistance. Conservatives also tend to be against birth control, and abortion. So again, this is a clear contradiction in your beliefs and another failed attempt at defending your fallacious assumptions about poor people.
triangle.128k says2015-04-12T16:19:57.9250396-05:00
Did I say Jesus was a conservative? No.
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T16:21:08.5092500-05:00
Wylted, "Liberals believe people should have their money stolen and given to the poor" - Yes, keep lying, generalizing and slandering liberals. If charity was a conservative value, conservatives wouldn't be against health benefits for all citizens, social security for the elderly and disabled, among many other things.
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T16:22:14.6453462-05:00
Triangle, I never anything about you saying Jesus was a Conservative. Did you even read what I said?
Reeseroni says2015-04-12T16:45:58.2680641-05:00
Lets agree Jesus would be neither conservative or liberal, he would be Jesus. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T09:51:42.5178353-05:00
"Yes, keep lying, generalizing and slandering liberals. If charity was a conservative value, conservatives wouldn't be against health benefits for all citizens, social security for the elderly and disabled, among many other things." Brian there is a difference between charity and taxes.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T10:03:24.8170591-05:00
"Lets agree Jesus would be neither conservative or liberal, he would be Jesus." That is likely the most logical answer, but we then argue which one is he closer to.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T10:31:32.3465748-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, Definition of charitable: of or relating to the assistance of those in need. Taxes used in paying for things that people NEED, such as food, shelter, medical care, are all forms of charity. Donating money to a church that is already over-funded so the pastor can buy a brand new Mercedes is not 'charity' but that is what a lot of religious conservatives use to argue that they are more 'charitable' than liberals.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T10:33:22.7148055-05:00
Reeseroni, "Lets agree Jesus would be neither conservative or liberal, he would be Jesus." - No I will not agree to this. Why? Because being 'Jesus' doesn't somehow negate his ability to be associated with a political party based on what he practiced and believed. That is why I asked the question.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T10:38:05.6242626-05:00
Brian, some people use the definition of charity as a voluntary gift to those in need. Taxes are not voluntary.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T10:46:30.8776212-05:00
They may not be voluntary to conservatives but I more than happy to have a portion of my tax money spent on helping those who cannot help themselves. That's essentially the difference between the two parties.
awesomepants says2015-05-26T21:48:29.4437046-05:00
He was neither
tman9285 says2016-05-11T22:16:11.0837587Z
Here is my stance: Jesus wanted the wealthy THEMSELVES to give money to the poor, not for the government to do so for them. Jesus also did not believe in homosexual ACTIONS or killing unborn living children, as proven by science. Jesus pretty much had most conservative ideals, but he never believed in political factions to the point to where people were divided. However, Jesus was anything BUT a liberal. He did not believe in popularity and believed that religion should be the forefront of one man's life. I find it funny how people say "being liberal is being nice" when you allow for the killing of babies and allowing people to separate from their families when they go transgender. If anyone actually read the bible, Jesus would side with the Republicans on issues, not on Democrats. Some also say Jesus was against capitalism and was a socialist. Not true. He said "give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime". He also said if more is given of a man, more is expected of that person. He basically agrees with the idea that you get what you earn. To finish off, Jesus was NOT part of any political faction to the point of division, but He would mainly side with conservatives (minus the death penalty but nothing else).

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