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37% 10 votes
63% 17 votes
  • We were likely to have gone to war with Iraq even if 9/11 didn't happen.

  • We could have done it better, and less agressive, but we needed to do something.

  • Iraq had lost it's sovereignty as far as a state can do under international law, there are 4 conditions which must be meet for a state to lose its sovereignty these are: 1. Invading a neighboring country 2. Violating the Genocide Convention 3. Harboring terrorists 4. Violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

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Texas14 says2015-05-13T19:10:30.7294578-05:00
In heinseight or knowing what we know now?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-13T19:31:23.4048161-05:00
I am actually very glad we went to war with Iraq in 2003. If we were to leave Iraq be, Hussein would have made Chemical and Biological WMDs just like he did in the past. And those weapons would have likely gotten into the hands of terrorist which would have used them on the US and many other countries.
CommunistDog says2015-05-13T19:32:41.9670081-05:00
The Iraq war was not worth our country getting involved in at the time.
BIGC says2015-05-13T20:13:26.3465223-05:00
I agree with Mathgeekjoe. And all of you need to read A just war by mike prat. It explains that if we it was a just war
BIGC says2015-05-13T20:24:08.5293941-05:00
I agree with Mathgeekjoe. And all of you need to read A just war by mike prat. It explains that it was a just war Correction
ladiesman says2015-05-13T20:51:27.2398335-05:00
A just war is waged with the proper intention, a just cause, by the proper authority and as a last resort. The 2003 invasion hardly satisfied any of those principles.
ladiesman says2015-05-13T20:52:48.0745068-05:00
If there is any war that fit the criteria of the just war theory, it was World War 2.
CommunistDog says2015-05-13T20:55:39.9132423-05:00
Agreed
58539672 says2015-05-13T21:22:17.2766866-05:00
Hindsight has 20/20 vision. People say that It was an unjust war, but at the time with the limited information that we had, this war made sense. I don't blame Bush for making the decision because he and every other member of these United States (at the beginning the Iraq war had close to a 90% approval rating, so everyone is to blame except that 10%) could not have known what Iraq would become after the occupation.
hect says2015-05-14T05:30:25.4360264-05:00
It was and still is justifiable, Iraq had lost it's sovereignty as far as a state can do under international law, there are 4 conditions which must be meet for a state to lose its sovereignty these are: 1. Invading a neighboring country 2. Violating the Genocide Convention 3. Harboring terrorists 4. Violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Which Iraq broke all 4. I'd like to see you people whom are opposed to the war try to live under the rule of an oppressive homicidal madman, and still be opposed.
CommunistDog says2015-05-14T06:41:42.6327285-05:00
What justifies the invasion of Iraq?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T07:26:18.1825192-05:00
@communistdog we have said what justified it like 4 times already, 10 times if you consider other polls.
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-14T08:54:42.5751785-05:00
Iraq having nuclear bombs is better than the US having Nuclear bombs
tajshar2k says2015-05-14T08:56:18.3550350-05:00
@biggest_pro_going Please tell me you are joking...
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-14T08:58:32.3258296-05:00
Now the US said it invaded their leader was evil and and used chemical weapons in Kurds and attacked another country. Ok but the US have attacked Other countries and they have used unclear bombs. If Iraq attacked the USA would it be fine then?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T09:00:08.9261502-05:00
"unclear" ?
tajshar2k says2015-05-14T09:00:32.0333429-05:00
If you are referring to Japan, then there numerous videos explaining why we did that instead of a straight out invasion. Also, if we decided to be morons, we would have let them starve to death. Instead, we helped them rebuild their country.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T09:01:13.9595018-05:00
And now Japan is our ally.
tajshar2k says2015-05-14T09:02:17.8579210-05:00
Exactly
CommunistDog says2015-05-14T09:05:09.7994708-05:00
The Invasion of Iraq's purpose was to stop the creation of rockets and bombs that threatened America and its allies. This information was solely formed by rumor and threats. Saddam had simply said that he had superweapons in order to show power. Bush ordered the invasion, even though the taxes, which are one of the largest sources to fund government ordered military missions, were lowered twice. Thus, America went into debt when they decided to send soldiers, supplies and weapons to Iraq. After taking out Saddam, the totalitarian leader which created order which stopped the threats of terrorism which we now currently have, America found out there were NO weapons or development of weapons. The immense debt and casualties were in vain.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T09:07:35.7544176-05:00
"America found out there were NO weapons or development of weapons." Have you even heard of the weapons the UNSCOM had to destroy. Iraq clearly had the capabilities to make chemical and biological WMDs since they have done so in the past!
tajshar2k says2015-05-14T09:44:49.0366280-05:00
So does China Russia and Iran. Why didn't we invade them instead? *Hint No oil.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T09:47:24.4288980-05:00
@Tajshar2k. Two of the countries you just mentioned have a lot of oil.
58539672 says2015-05-14T10:24:05.3737584-05:00
I personally think we should have dealt with Saddam after he tried to invade Kuwait. General Schwarzkopf wanted to march our troops strait into Bagdad and execute him then, but the Pentagon and the President overruled him. It would have saved us the trouble of doing it a decade later.
tajshar2k says2015-05-14T11:38:48.6167138-05:00
@mathgeekjoe Sorry, I meant cheap oil. Also, Bush just choose Iraq, because Saddam was being an ass to him.
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-14T14:07:01.7484041-05:00
Nowadays the US said it invaded because their leader was evil and and used chemical weapons on Kurds and attacked another country. Ok but the US has attacked Other countries and they have used nuclear bombs. If Iraq attacked the USA would it be fine then?
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-14T14:10:04.4936912-05:00
They wont invade China and Russia because they pose a threat unlike Iraq.
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-14T14:20:43.8046885-05:00
"helped them rebuild their country." It takes a nuclear strike for the US to have some morals and actually help rebuild a country. Its not like when America invades places it helps their economies- Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Syria, Panama, Somalia, Cuba, Hatti, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Its not the nuclear bomb that rebuilt the country. You Americans say the US nuking were justified BUT i am sure if Iraq got nukes and used them the Iraqi people would think it was justified as well.
hect says2015-05-14T17:21:08.5210458-05:00
Why should money even be an issue when talking about the lives of innocent iraqis
hect says2015-05-14T17:24:52.9545971-05:00
@biggest_pro_going : "They won't invade China and Russia because they pose a threat unlike Iraq" are you saying just because they are weak but still evil we shouldn't do something to help, obviously America is not going to go to war with russia and china because it would most likely backfire and create much more problems than they would want to solve
CommunistDog says2015-05-14T21:28:42.4030267-05:00
I asked a social studies professor who focuses on American military history. He said that there were no weapons of mass destruction there nor ones that were being made. Additionally, he felt the war was in vain, on the account of mass debt as well as the lives lost in the invasion. It also created disorder in Iraq, and unleashed terrorists that now threaten our existence today. Unless you find that beneficial towards America, I find the Iraq war was very hurtful towards America, rather than beneficial.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T21:38:48.2026637-05:00
@communistdog, You should do some research into what Iraq did in the past. To say they weren't capable of making WMDs is being ignorant of the fact they have made them in the past! And I consider the fact we took out a group capable of making WMDs and giving them to terrorist, an action that was beneficial to america, the world, but most of all the area. For pete sakes like 90% of terrorist attacks were on their own people, could you imagine how many in the middle east could have died to WMDs if we didn't take out Iraq?
tajshar2k says2015-05-14T21:45:10.7121302-05:00
We supported him by giving him money to build weapons to fight against Iran.
58539672 says2015-05-14T21:53:38.9510460-05:00
The things that Iraq did that caused us to go to war with them are ironically the same things that Iran is currently doing. I'd be more worried about that potential conflict than about the current state of Iraq.
ladiesman says2015-05-14T23:03:36.8868650-05:00
@CommunistDog I agree with you completely. Bush only used weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to invade Iraq.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-14T23:23:38.5858712-05:00
I wish I could take an alternate universe where we didn't go into Iraq, and show all of the death that would have been caused by WMDs being used by terrorist, mostly on their own people, I wonder what excuses those who were opposed to going to Iraq would make up in that alternate universe?
hect says2015-05-15T00:27:25.9508384-05:00
I dont even care what was "beneficial" towards america I'm not american, what about the poor iraqis who had to deal with a family of gangsters running their country and killing there own people often for just having weddings
briantheliberal says2015-05-15T00:30:21.4315395-05:00
Hey Mathgeekjoe, I'd like if you watched this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNUyEOWXrY
hect says2015-05-15T00:44:34.1910239-05:00
@briantheliberal: that nobjockey that does 'secular talk' is so painful to listen to he makes me want to put my fist through my screen
briantheliberal says2015-05-15T00:53:22.7382030-05:00
The main focus of the video isn't the guy, it's the clip before he starts talking that I want people to focus on.
hect says2015-05-15T01:01:02.3668956-05:00
Leaving behind weapons does not "create" a self-proclaimed group of islamic fundamentalists, it arms a group of people that already exists, so in hindsight they should have got the weapons out of there but the thing about hindsight is it's after the fact, so that cry baby girls point is irrelevant. How about we blame ISIS for being ISIS, instead of the people who were trying to help the iraqis.
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-15T04:00:26.7544988-05:00
Hect i am agreeing with you
biggest_pro_going says2015-05-15T04:02:45.8770824-05:00
Mathgeekjoe most countries have the "potential" to make WMDs but America doesn't invade them.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-15T06:36:48.5388065-05:00
@biggestprogamer. But Iraq is different from other countries. They were constantly defying the UN. They made and used them in the past against civilians. And they had the wanting to do it again. Hussein also was unrepentant for attacking another country, thus was likely to do it again. In addition, they were capable of giving the weapons they could make to terrorist without caring. If we to leave them be, there would be a lot more death in the middle east.
CommunistDog says2015-05-15T06:49:11.9644778-05:00
Can you support your claims with articles? My claims were supported by my social studies professor. Or rather, I asked him. O3O
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-15T07:49:34.2539965-05:00
You should also find your own research so you can learn for yourself the truth. But if you want a source, he is one I used. Source http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/etc/arsenal.html
58539672 says2015-05-15T13:15:40.8641831-05:00
Of all the Iraqi demographics, Kurds tend to be the most positive and thankful toward the US military intervention. This makes a lot of sense because they were the ones that suffered the most under Saddam's rule. Shia's and Sunni tend to have a 50/50 split with one half claiming the US made life in Iraq worse and the other saying that things are better now that Saddam is gone. But nearly all say they expected more and are disappointed in the current regime.

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