I am Con because the Europeans had a right to take their land. The natives didn't believe in property rights: they held that land was the common property of all, and that everyone is a renter. Besides, the natives fought wars with each other and did the exact same things to themselves, so why are the Europeans suddenly bad for doing it? Also, the natives have a lot more opportunities now and have benefited immensely from the culture and technology that the Europeans brought with them.
@Brian, do you know history? Apparently you don't. There was no "mass murder". A few immoral things happened but the natives did some awful things to the Europeans as well, such as the Jamestown slaughter of 1622. There was also no " intentional spread of disease". That is false.
What do you call it when one nation colonizes another mass of land via killing the occupants living there until there's like 5% of the population left after something maybe called manifest destiny promoted my capitalist pigs like Thomas Jefferson by creating displacement and genocide????
Varrack, I don't know history? The Europeans murdered millions of Native Americans. In the United States, they were forced to move across the country and were eventually wiped out with the exception of a few select tribes. Natives murdering Europeans was an act of retaliation. Also Europeans intentionally spread smallpoxs and STIs to native people, who they knew were not immune to them. They even gave them blankets used by their own who had smallpox. Many Europeans raped Native women, and forced them into slavery until many of them died off, many Latin Americans, like myself are a product of this travesty. Keep making excuses if you want to. http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302
Again, there was no "genocide". The reason your article states that the native population was reduced by millions was because of the transmission of diseases which was unintentional. No smallpox blanket scheme was ever carried out.
@Midnight I'm not saying there wasn't bad intentions on the side of the Europeans. But you need to consider the massacres that were carried out by the natives too. The Powhaton massacre by the natives killed 347 English men, women, and children. It's in the Wiki article that garlicbread sent. Read it.
Discomforting, exactly but that is why I am not a conservative. They don't believe in freedom of oppression, they believe in protecting the rights of themselves and nobody else. They believe in protecting the "status quo" that only benefits rich, white heterosexuals (esp male) with money, and nobody else.
Varrack, stop making comparisons that have nothing to do with the actual topic. Nobody even said that wasn't genocide, but how does that excuse the mass killing, rape and enslavement of Native peoples by Europeans, mainly the British, Spanish and Portuguese?
Most native tribes within the Americas died from disease. It is believed to be somewhere between 80% and 90%. This can be seen by the early years of colonialism (1500s) when their simply weren't enough Spanish on the continents to kill off the millions that died in that century. The rest experienced several small genocides over the centuries, but nothing on the scale of say, the holocaust. That is why historian tend to put the Native Americans in the gray area of genocidal history. They didn't experience one massive genocide, but rather several small ones separated by decades of general peace.
@Brian, have you ignored my points about the natives doing the same things to themselves and to the colonists? I want you to find out how many natives were enslaved/raped and prove that "millions and millions" were like you said they were.
Briantheliberal how about classicide th genocide of a social class simply because they had more land. Many nobles were killed in the french revolution for being rich and wealthy and most importatnly landowning. What about in the soviet union and china, where simply owning too much land was a crime. Of course you don't complain about that cause that's left wing genocide
58539672, "several small genocides" is still genocide. Even if most of them died from disease, millions were still slaughtered, raped and forced into slavery. The numbers of those who died from disease doesn't somehow excuse the murder of those that did not. Not to mention, Europeans eventually had guns, which they used to their advantage by murdering Native people and forcing them to work on plantations. After most of them died off, they went to Africa, murdered many of them along with other Africans, whom they gave guns and promised riches to and imported them to the Americas to work in place of the Native people.
"the symbol of unification of all classes of the german people has become the symbol of the new reich, and thus it has become the standard of the german people...Because we do not say to the rich people give something to the poor, we say everyone must help whether you are rich or poor, Everyone must have the belief that there's someone in a much worse situation than I am in, and this person I want to help as a comrade." Adolf Hitler
Heil, I am not "pretending" anything. You're just not worth responding to because your dribble is irrelevant to this discussion as usual. Continue ranting about random nonsense on your own, but leave me out of it. Thanks.
Native Americans took lands from, enslaved and killed each other before the white people came. There were many horrible things done to them by white people. The trail of tears in 1830 was where thousands of south Eastern natives were expelled from their homes and sent to reservations in Oklahoma. Many died on the way from disease and drowning (when a steam ship blew up) and lost their land.
The Spanish ensalved California's natives I'm pretty sure. But like i said natives enslaved each other to. They also kidnapped European women as "wives" and took them into sex slavery and attacked white people who were traveling out west through the Oregon trail in the 1800s. Also the Jamestown massacre in 1620 was carried out by pohawtan Indians and killed almost 400 english colonists. Still there were massacres of native Americans by whites like the mass killings of the Cheyenne at sand creek in Wyoming and the Sioux at wounded knee in the 1800s. Most white people didn't have anything to do with these massacres and most natives didn't either. Today native Americans live in poverty partly because of forced exodus their ancestors suffered.