Were we right to invade Iraq?

Posted by: john2054

We got Saddam, but many innocent civilians had to die in the process. Was this right??

  • YES!

  • NO!

19% 5 votes
81% 21 votes
  • Innocents were dying anyway. If that is your problem with the war, then we were doomed to fail regardless of what we did. Saddam was becoming a thorn in our side and he needed to go. We should have removed him earlier, but we eventually got around to it.

  • The disposing of Hussein only left the country with an equally corrupt, unstable and incompetent government. The worst part of the invasion was banning members of the Ba'ath party from Public Sector employment.

  • Rather then trying to play world policeman, we should bring our troops home and focus on national security. We were attacked by religious fanatics. And the next 10 years of occupation and invasion served only to put fuel on the fire.

  • The real reason was oil.

    Posted by: gabep
  • It was to costly in terms of life, money and our integrity.

    Posted by: Volted
  • There was reason to remove Saddam, but the reasons that the US decided to choose to justify going in were incorrect, and then after that, the US completely fucked up the end-game that caused so many other problems to start

  • They were no threat to our national security and we knew that it would be a civil war to which there would be no end.

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TBR says2015-08-04T23:10:00.6987320Z
It was national insanity.
TBR says2015-08-04T23:45:40.4800883Z
Would love some discussion from the yes vote.
tajshar2k says2015-08-04T23:49:25.0342879Z
Well, the U.S accomplished its actual mission. Kill Saddam. It failed to secure the nation after, which resulted in the birth of ISIS.
TBR says2015-08-04T23:52:58.7955415Z
Think that was the mission? I herd a bunch of stuff about WMDs and stuff.
tajshar2k says2015-08-04T23:54:37.3881735Z
I also heard Saddam funded Al-Qaeda, even though they hate each other. But still, our revered and glorious President George W Bush said so, so its gotta be true.
TBR says2015-08-04T23:56:22.0648445Z
I would relive those glory days, but I spent too much time dodging spit from those telling me to move to France.
TBR says2015-08-05T04:45:17.5667688Z
@:58539672 - under what conditions do we have the right to remove "him" ever?
stargate says2015-08-05T12:32:07.5275476Z
The war had to happen.
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T13:24:24.7544579Z
Why?
stargate says2015-08-05T13:27:07.9238386Z
We where are the path to war to being with. Besides the ruler of that nation was a dictator. He was killing his own people, and was not flowing basic human rights. In his mind you where with him or against him. We lost troops in that war, but we tryed to make it a better place.
stargate says2015-08-05T13:28:55.7517298Z
Sometimes you got to make a sacrifice to achieve the greater good. Now yes right now we have ISIS. But my point is we are trying to make it a safer better place.
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T13:32:17.4062877Z
@stargate You know the invasion was an illegal invasion right? And you want to know who made that dictator to become the insane madman he was, the United States government. Did you know, during the Iran-Iraq war, we funded both sides? We aren't even true to our allies. We are the ones who helped Saddam obtain WMDS, and when he turned against us, we used that as a reason to go to war. The real villain in this story is us.
stargate says2015-08-05T13:34:43.7820260Z
War happens, I am not saying we are in the right. But what I am saying iz that it was necessary. We helped Iraq during that war because he was the lesser of two evils.
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T13:37:07.4745471Z
Then, why did we help Iran?
stargate says2015-08-05T15:33:46.3190112Z
To make them both weak, and to have it last longer...
58539672 says2015-08-05T16:08:28.0978906Z
@TBR Saddam was becoming a pest for a while now. Though we greatly appreciated him keeping Iran in check, he was becoming more trouble than he was worth. For starters he funded several terrorist groups across the middle east, threatened Saudi Arabia's oil fields several times, disrupted the oil trade in the Persian gulf repeatedly, began ethnically cleansing the undesirables in his country, and started flaunting his ability to build chemical weapons... Again (turns out he was just bluffing).
TBR says2015-08-05T16:37:58.3425035Z
"becoming more trouble than he was worth." is the most arrogant reason I can think of. We have no right to do this just because we can, and the ramifications are in this case and others devastating to US>
stargate says2015-08-05T17:03:14.1185547Z
Look he was killing his own people, he was desalinizeing the region. The Iraq War had to happen.
imabench says2015-08-05T17:05:25.4869968Z
Saddams sons were even more fucked up in the head than Saddam himself, so if we waited til Saddam died, things could have gotten infinitely worse. There was certainly good reason to invade Iraq, but the US didnt pick any of those good reasons
58539672 says2015-08-05T17:12:14.7164853Z
@TBR call it arrogant all you want, but my reason still stands. Saddam messing up the oil trade alone would have been reason enough to invade. We have waged war for far simpler reasons.
TBR says2015-08-05T23:46:06.6260922Z
OK, if we needed to get him out (and his sons) and were willing to toss out morals on torture, and preemptive wars, might as well just toss the law about assassinations. Your get it all, were Merica, and we get do whatever the hell we want, right? Get the hell off our oil all you sand-ni**ers
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T23:48:37.9314621Z
@TBR the censors are gone. Feel free to express yourself.
58539672 says2015-08-05T23:53:49.0130562Z
@TBR it wasnt just Saddam and his family. If we assassinated them, his party would have just elected someone of similar ideals. They may be more wary about crossing the US, but we cant know that for sure. No, the entire party needed to go as well. Plus, we arent very good at assassinations.
imabench says2015-08-05T23:56:14.1456925Z
"OK, if we needed to get him out (and his sons) and were willing to toss out morals on torture, and preemptive wars, might as well just toss the law about assassinations"...... Just because the US executed the war so poorly and barely even thought things out before going into the war, that doesnt negate the fact that there were justifiable reasons for removing Saddams regime from power by force....
TBR says2015-08-06T00:00:00.1599413Z
At some point we have to realize that other countries not doing exactly what we like is none of our damn business. Helping people in need, that is laudable, but we don;t get to push around the world just because we can.
Texas14 says2015-08-06T00:02:22.9115504Z
@58539672, the idea that we as a country can talk about going into a country and pick whoever WE want to be the dictator in comically ridiculous. And why Iraq? They (as a government) are no threat to our national security. And every study shows that the more intervene, the more people you piss off and the more enemies you make.
58539672 says2015-08-06T00:09:56.9212607Z
@Texas14 Iraq was chosen in particular mainly because of how much we care about the smoothness of the oil trade. Despite what the government has tried to tell the public, that is the biggest reason for invading. And if you think that is wrong, if invading a foreign country, destabilizing it for something as simple as oil is wrong, then blame the voters who get pissed at their congressional representatives when gas goes up a dollar. Because those congressmen and women (and even the President) care more about that then what the Iraqi people think.
Texas14 says2015-08-06T04:24:06.8308451Z
I blame the policy makers that decided to bomb Iraq unconstitutionally and support Saddam years earlier. I also blame journalists like Judith Miller for leaving out and/or distorting evidence about Iraq WMD. But I can't blame the people for being scared after the largest attack on the US in history!
Texas14 says2015-08-06T04:24:22.7585472Z
I blame the policy makers that decided to bomb Iraq unconstitutionally and support Saddam years earlier. I also blame journalists like Judith Miller for leaving out and/or distorting evidence about Iraq WMD. But I can't blame the people for being scared after the largest attack on the US in history!
Renegader says2015-08-06T04:32:09.4511388Z
We need to stop putting our dicks into everything. That is how we can reduce our military budget without compromising homeland defense. Both humanitarian and "America-Is-Getting-Weaker-And-Less-Respected" interventionists are surely overcompensating for something.
58539672 says2015-08-06T04:41:22.1470817Z
Those policy members are just trying to preserve their position. Being a politician isnt a hobby for them, its a job. When that they strive to keep. To do that they have to keep their electorate happy and satisfied so they get reelected. So when your electorate gets upset when gas prices go up because some dictator on the other side of the planet invades another country, what do you expect them to do. Nothing? Just sit their and let the people elect someone else because they didnt do anything about it. No, they fund coups against Iran when they tried to nationalize their oil. They support Saddam to fight Iran when that didnt work. And they remove Saddam when he becomes more trouble than he is worth. Our representatives are the spitting image of the people they represent. The problem in this country is that people care more about the price of gas than they do about anything regarding foreign affairs. And because they do, our representatives will too.
john2054 says2015-08-16T16:40:36.6268536Z
Saddam may well have been an evil dictator. But why take out a million souls, when a single bullet should have done the job???
john2054 says2015-08-16T16:40:45.8553650Z
Saddam may well have been an evil dictator. But why take out a million souls, when a single bullet should have done the job???

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