What do you think about 21 being the age limit to drink alcohol in the USA?

Posted by: 132sque

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It should be lower

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It should be higher

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It should remain the same

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Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T16:08:59.6961596-05:00
Why on earth should it be lowered. The brain is still developing at 18, which means alcohol abuse would do a lot more damage. Also even moderate alcohol use at that age is several times more harmful than at 21. On top of that you have the social issues of that age which in turn causes binge drinking which in turn kills people. There is a reason why countries that have it at 18 are considering raising it to 21!
CyberConor says2015-05-17T19:11:04.6375377-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe, we don't mean that people have to drink it at 18. It means, they have the choice, they shouldn't, but Why should I care about what someone else does to their own body.
132sque says2015-05-18T05:48:18.0592834-05:00
@mathgeekjoe: people are still going to drink it though... Isn't it better that people who do "abuse" it find out their limits earlier so they don't get to that stage. There's nothing worse than someone going on 25 who doesn't know how to handle or when to stop drinking. Plus it's a choice, like smoking that is bad whatever the age. Should that be banned too?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T07:33:18.5557790-05:00
By making it legal to drink at 18 is going to increase the amount of people harmed by alcohol. I don't see the point in making it lower if it is going to KILL more people. @CyberConor, well if you don't care if people die, fine by me, but you will still be affected. The increase health and car insurance will affect everyone, in addition you would run into more drunk drivers on the road. So while it is their choice to kill their body, they will still be harming you as well. @132sque Why on earth would it matter if people are still going to drink even if it isn't legal? That is like legalizing homicide because people are still going to murder regardless of the law. Makes zero sense. In addition your point of people learning their limit also is senseless. Being at 18 doesn't mean you are more likely to learn your limit than at 21 or 25. In fact, I would argue that people at 21 and 25 would be learn their limit with less drinks than a 18 year old. Also your point of a choice has zero ground. Murder, rape, robbery, all are choices but are still illegal. Should those be legalize too because they are a choice? Anyways, tobacco I think should also be put at the age of 21 to avoid high school seniors from being able to use it. Third hand smoke should not be a presence in high schools like it is currently.
132sque says2015-05-18T08:24:14.5348678-05:00
Alcohol does not mean death or harm of the body for goodness sake! If you're whole reason for limiting the intake of alcohol is a fear of a minority mistreating it and binge drinking, then you have to ban everything based on the minority that also abuse whatever they are using. Therefore, guns, religion, cars. Not everyone who drinks alcohol is some drunk you know... Teenagers rebel, it's pretty simple. Making it illegal will only make it even more appealing. Especially as in their heads they see others from around the world drinking at their age. Of course they are going to drink it regardless, they already are. At least make it legal so they are doing it in a safe environment. On the subject of choice, i clearly meant choice for ourselves body. We have a right over our own body. If you can't talk to me or anyone rationally or just be petty then why on earth are you on here.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T08:54:23.4873798-05:00
@132sque Is illegal turn try to commit suicide. The law is rarely enforced and the punishment is merely you are forced to get help. But it is still a law. Lets give the hypothetical that you can do whatever you want with your body. What if I want to grow a bio weapon in my body, it is my body so I should have the right to do it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T08:58:17.0846540-05:00
"Therefore, guns, religion, cars." Guns also can reduce prevent crime, some that lack a religion also commit violent acts, cars are currently a widely used form of transportation. Alcohol, what major positive does it do? Social drink and a small part of the economy. Well those two positives are only positives if the negatives don't outweigh the positives. And the only time when those positives of alcohol outweigh the negatives slightly is when people over the age of 21 are using them.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T09:06:58.9269581-05:00
"Especially as in their heads they see others from around the world drinking at their age. Of course they are going to drink it regardless, they already are." (amount of teenagers using alcohol when it is illegal) is < than (amount of teenager using alcohol when it is legal). "At least make it legal so they are doing it in a safe environment." Teenagers drinking alcohol is never a safe environment. Teenagers would end up peer pressuring each other to binge drink which in turn kills them. There is a reason why some countries with it at 18 are questioning increasing the age limit.
132sque says2015-05-18T10:11:18.9625956-05:00
Ok i'm going to ignore the gun prevents crime point and euthanasia as they are different debates. On your point of negatives vs positives: What about fast food, what about obesity. Overeating is a lot worse than over drinking. Should we also cap the age of consuming fast food because fast food is bad for you and serves no use? If you're going to use that reasoning apply it to everything else you consume. Besides there are clear health points about the consummation of red wine for example, in respect of unit intake of course. "Teenagers drinking alcohol is never a safe environment. Teenagers would end up peer pressuring each other to binge drink which in turn kills them." This is possibly the most ridiculous thing i have heard. I'm 20, i got to uni, and hey i'm not shy to a night out trust me. If people don't want to drink, they don't. I have many friends who do not, anyone that did pressure them into would get told to piss off. And if you honestly equate over drinking to death then i think you need to do some research, or maybe go out once in a while. There are a whole lot worse things we do to our own bodies than drinking alcohol. Obesity for example, as mentioned. But i doubt you are going to start dealing out age limits of fried chicken now are you. "There is a reason why some countries with it at 18 are questioning increasing the age limit." There is also a reason so many have it at 18 and will keep it there. If you could inform me of any countries who are looking to raise the drinking age, please link them here. :)
132sque says2015-05-18T10:37:37.6022844-05:00
My apologies, i've been reading back my comments and they have come across a lot more strongly than i meant them to.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T10:40:44.9206714-05:00
I also apologize for my past comments. I feel that they had ad hominem attacks and were too aggressive.
132sque says2015-05-18T10:44:43.2700018-05:00
No i wouldn't say that. It's cool. Besides i just learnt a new latin phrase so cheers haha
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T11:01:59.2698090-05:00
"Should we also cap the age of consuming fast food because fast food is bad for you and serves no use?" Fast food does serve uses, such as it is a fast easy way to eat if you need to. But anyways, obesity does not solely come from fast food, nor does fast food cause obesity. Obesity is caused from constant condition of taking in more calories than you burn. Such regulation would require complete control from the government on things people need, food. Note there is a big difference from regulating food and regulating a drug. "This is possibly the most ridiculous thing i have heard." Try doing some research into countries that lowered the drinking age, there was a lot of problems created or increased. Of course if you want to see something ridiculous, try looking at people thinking global warming will destroy the world. That is taking one of the top ridiculous things I have seen on this site. As for counties to check try australia, about half of their population support raising the drinking age. Also in every place that has lowered the drinking age, there was a noticeable increase in issues.
132sque says2015-05-18T11:08:08.5250115-05:00
You just made my point entirely. The problem is it comes from overuse, or simply Put... Abuse. Just like too much food intake is bad, so is too much alcohol. Too much sun is bad for you, hell too much water is even bad for the body...So this cannot be a reason for raising the age limit. I will do some research right after completing this case study for uni :P you have been a much welcomed distraction though thank you
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T11:12:35.0247596-05:00
Big difference though that you failed realize. I knew where you were going so I put in a rebuttal to that argument, I think you might have overlooked it. There is a difference between alcohol and food. By comparison food is a need, alcohol isn't. Fast food has a benefit, alcohol doesn't really have one. Also alcohol is a drug with an effect on the brain, such effects can be permanent. Such problems of the brain do not occur to my knowledge of obesity.
132sque says2015-05-18T11:18:01.7553484-05:00
True alcohol is not a need, but i don't see why that matters. It's still part of our life. It's for enjoyment, to have fun. It has a use, even if it isn't as fundamental as that of what somebody needs to live off. Like alcohol food is still addictive, which stems from overuse. As i have said over use or misuse of anything is bad. That is no reason to ban it. One beer has no negative impact on anyone. Neither does one hamburger. Start to do that every day and that is where the issues come.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T19:33:35.4535532-05:00
Eating a lot of hamburgers, fried chicken or anything isn't what makes you fat. It is taking in more than you burn. Some people burn like 10,000 calories a day which is a lot of hamburgers. Are they fat? No.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T19:52:10.8034135-05:00
"One beer has no negative impact on anyone." Not true, introducing alcohol to a developing brain can still cause problems. The thing is that alcohol directly affects the brain, if the brain is getting affected by something when it is still developing, the effect can be permanent.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-18T19:53:55.6055571-05:00
@132sque I have a question for you so I can know exactly what are your beliefs. Do you think the age limit on alcohol should be removed completely? Do you think all drugs should be decriminalized for all ages?
132sque says2015-05-19T08:08:42.8507863-05:00
Of course not, 18 should be the limit. It's still an addictive drug after all. There are much more dangerous things you can do in america at 18, so why not drink? And it seems the majority of people on here agree with me. You're point on over eating: over a third of america is obese, not overweight but OBESE. You cannot say that is not a problem. Yes people can burn the calories off, but a lot clearly do not that is my point. Therefore you cannot ban something on the premise that people overuse or abuse it, as you would have ban all sorts. Or cap it at an age at least. Obesity is just as worse as alcoholism, with ll sorts of diseases and health risks. And no one drink at 18 does nothing long term to the body. At 18 it is fine. There is no need for a 21 limit. But when that one drink everyday is implemented, that is when long term health risks begin. But i repeat you cannot ban something because some people overuse it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-19T09:09:35.0214190-05:00
@132sque Why should the limit not be even lower than 18? Why not 12 or perhaps no age limit at all? Isn't it better that people who do "abuse" it find out their limits earlier so they don't get to that stage. Alcohol does not mean death or harm of the body for goodness sake! If you're whole reason for limiting the intake of alcohol is a fear of a minority mistreating it and binge drinking, then you have to ban everything based on the minority that also abuse whatever they are using. Not everyone who drinks alcohol is some drunk you know... Teenagers rebel, it's pretty simple. Making it illegal will only make it even more appealing. Of course they are going to drink it regardless, they already are. At least make it legal so they are doing it in a safe environment. So eliminate the age cap completely.
132sque says2015-05-19T09:25:28.5741562-05:00
Nice try, but i've already clearly stated that the age of 18 is the right limit. You are the one that wants to raise it to 25, yet you haven't given any decent reason to do so. You are an adult at 18, you can fire a gun, be in the army at 18, yet cannot drink even though health wise you are fine to do so. So what is the problem? You're only reason to increase is that too much is harmful, yet you have not once said why other things that are overused that cause harm should not have an age limit. Why is 18 any different to 21 or 25? The effect of alcohol is the same anyway. You have no other argument.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-19T09:27:53.0430124-05:00
Why would 16 be any different than 18, why would 12 be any different from 16, why should we have a cap at all.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-19T09:29:10.0048144-05:00
I now think we should limit the cap completely. He is my reasoning. I don't see anything wrong with it. Isn't it better that people who do "abuse" it find out their limits earlier so they don't get to that stage. Alcohol does not mean death or harm of the body for goodness sake! If you're whole reason for limiting the intake of alcohol is a fear of a minority mistreating it and binge drinking, then you have to ban everything based on the minority that also abuse whatever they are using. Not everyone who drinks alcohol is some drunk you know... Teenagers rebel, it's pretty simple. Making it illegal will only make it even more appealing. Of course they are going to drink it regardless, they already are. At least make it legal so they are doing it in a safe environment.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-19T09:42:01.1120431-05:00
So 132sque, What is wrong with the reasoning I provided?

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