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Tree_of_Death says2016-10-22T23:57:23.6011147Z
They mean the same thing, smart one.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-23T01:00:18.7481262Z
No they don't smart one. You're some idol-worshiping Buddhist monk. What are you even talking about? God revealed His Name to Moses as Yahweh in Exodus 3:14. Both Christians and Jews believe God's Name to be Yahweh while Muslims believe God's name to be Allah. Arab Christians refer to God as Allah in their language but even they will agree the Name of God is Yahweh not Allah. Allah is an Arabic word literally meaning "the god".
Drtraumaty says2016-10-23T01:58:20.4073691Z
You both need to chill out.
Tree_of_Death says2016-10-23T02:29:31.8889657Z
First of all I'm not a monk, I'm a layperson, and Buddhists don't worship idols. They don't worship anything at all. Your question was, "What is the name of God?" The name of God is just as likely Allah, which, as you mentioned, is Arabic for God, as Yahweh. It's two different words in different languages that describe the same concept.
Tree_of_Death says2016-10-23T02:30:53.8521649Z
The concept being the God of Abraham, of course. As an aside, why does being a Buddhist disqualify my position?
Tree_of_Death says2016-10-23T02:36:39.0979780Z
Your smear about idol worship shows how little you know about religions other than your own.
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-23T05:51:49.0010410Z
@Rjupudi18 Seriously stop with all the hateful content towards the Islam Religion if anything your proving how Christianity is more violent and hateful than Islam. You also need to stop insulting other users you are failing to represent God who is supposed to in your religion represent love and peace.
Taoufik says2016-10-23T11:07:55.7628988Z
Allah is the correct name of God as he named her self in the Quran also Allah have 99 names as well as Arrahim, Alrafor, Almajid...
JustVotingTiedDebates says2016-10-23T15:35:13.5393044Z
Allah is from Al-Ilah in Arabic, meaning The God. It's His SWT Name.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-23T17:07:24.1709568Z
@Tree_of_Death The NAME of God does not change based on language because it is a name. For example, if your name is John, it would be John in every language and every country. The word "God" has many translations such as Allah in Arabic, Elohim in Hebrew, God in English, Dios in Spanish, etc. However, the Name of God is always Yahweh. His Name does not change based on the language we speak just as your name doesn't change based on the place you visit. Secondly, you are disqualified to tell me that Yahweh and Allah are the same because you believe in neither. Buddhists do bow to the idol of Buddha and bowing to idols is detestable to the LORD God Almighty.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-23T17:15:04.9199103Z
@Tree_of_Death As a human being, you have a right to your opinion but the way you presented it is inappropriate. Calling me "smart one" is uncalled for. As a Buudhist, you cannot judge the Abrahamic faiths based on your understanding. That's like me saying Buddha and Krishna are the same person. Of course I wouldn't because I believe in neither and I don't follow the Eastern religions.
CuriousFear says2016-10-23T17:34:25.4581496Z
@Rjupudi18 Yahweh and Jehovah are titles, not names.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-23T18:19:25.5323979Z
@CuriousFear The Name of the LORD is Yahweh. "The LORD is a warrior; Yahweh is his name!" (Exodus 15:3). The Holy Bible clearly states the Name of God is Yahweh. Jehovah is the English translation of Yahweh. Allah is an Arabic word meaning "the god" and is a title used by Arab Christians similar to how Spanish-speaking people would use Dios.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-23T18:23:01.0633795Z
@Taoufik You referred to Allah as a "her". Are you suggesting Allah is a female?
Tree_of_Death says2016-10-23T21:14:30.7220444Z
Rjupudi--My point is that there's no way to know, so in effect they mean the same thing. If the same God tells us in different holy books that his name is Yahweh or Allah, then how are we possibly to know which one is right? That was the point I was trying to make. I apologize if I didn't phrase my position clearly. You say my Buddhist faith doesn't allow me to speak on such matters. As a former Episcopalian Christian, I disagree. Buddhists don't bow to the Buddha at all--at least not those who follow the religion as the Buddha intended it. Siddhartha Gautama specifically told his followers *not* to worship him--worship of anything is quite irrelevant to Buddhism, as it distracts from the noble eightfold path and such. I apologize for saying "smart one," but I fail to see how you can take the moral high ground when your very next comment responded in kind, and then slandered my faith. You say that since I am a Buddhist I cannot have an informed opinion on Abrahamic religion debates such as these; a completely false assumption made even more incorrect by the fact that I was brought up in the Christian tradition. I should add that I have great respect for Christianity, but none for those Christians who try to paint Islam as a violent religion--which from your picture choice on your "Which is more peaceful: Christianity or Islam?" poll is exceedingly clear. You say the way I presented my stance is inappropriate; perhaps it is, but I feel that using 9/11 to describe one religion and a shining cross blazing with light to describe another is more inappropriate and certainly does not help encourage civil discussion. I believe that what Knaveslayer pointed out is absolutely correct--you attempt to show others' religions in a negative light but by doing so you ignore the teachings of Christianity.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-23T21:39:13.0591465Z
@Tree_of_Death There is a way to know because it is not the same god in two different books. Christianity came before Islam and the God of Christianity is very different from the god of Islam. Yahweh loves everyone equally, calls humans His children and sent His Son Jesus to die for the sins of humanity. Allah loves only Muslims, calls humans his slaves and sent no one to redeem humanity. How can you simply say these are the same being in two different books. Muhammad claimed to worship the God of Abraham but then replaced Him with an Arabian moon god. The fact that you rejected Christ and converted to Buddhism shows that you were never a true Christian. How could you follow Buddha. Did Buddha come down from Heaven? Did Buddha die for your sins on a cross? Will Buddha return as King of kings and Lord of lords to judge the world? What will you say when God asks why you should be allowed in His kingdom? Buddha may be an example to live a humble life in this world but he doesn't provide a way to reconcile with God. Jesus said "I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through me". Jesus is the only Way to God. Not Buddha, Muhammad or Krishna. You said Islam is peaceful but do you know the very Quran your defending commands Muslims to kill nonbelievers including you. When all these attacks happen, do you think it has nothing to do with Islam? Is it all a coincidence that these suicide bombers happen to be Muslim? Islam is a violent religion and the sheer opposite of Christianity.
Tree_of_Death says2016-10-23T23:01:25.9823676Z
Rjupudi--You say that it's a different god, which is debatable, but wholly beside the point. If we have two different gods, one named Allah and one Yahweh, and one is the true god but we don't know which, the name of the true god is certainly unknowable as we have no idea which is the "true" god. You say I wasn't a Christian, which is false, but also beside the point. I was saying that I do have a good amount of knowledge of the religion, which you were alleging was false because I'm a Buddhist. Next you say "Jesus is the only way to God" and other such absurdities. When the idea of a God is being disputed, you can't use it as an argument. I could say that Buddhism is the only way to true happiness and love, but you reject Buddhism as I reject Christianity, so the point would be invalid. I understand that Islam has caused lots of violence--I'm not disputing that. But what you refuse to recognize is that Christianity ain't so great either--look at the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the KKK--all things ordered in the Bible. Christianity taken literally and Islam taken literally are two sides of the same bloody coin if you ask me.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-24T01:22:35.0270560Z
Tree_of_Death One thing I'm still puzzled with is the fact that you're a Buddhist and you talk about the "true god" when Buddhists don't even believe in a god. I don't understand why you're supporting Islam when all it has done was cause violence in dire contradiction to the teachings of your Buddha. I thank you for bringing up the Crusades, the Spanish Inquistion and the KKK. The fact that you think these things were ordered in the Bible shows how ignorant you really are. The Holy Bible was completed 2000 years ago while all the things you said happend in less than a millennium. Get your history facts straight. Nevertheless, anyone who fights and kills in the name of Christ is an enemy of Christ because Christ preached against violence. "Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.". If someone killed in the name of Buddhism, would you then consider Buddha to be violent and evil? Of course not because both Christ and Buddha taught peace and any Christian or Buddhist who kills for his religion is going against his/her religion. The Crusaders, KKK, etc are not true Christians because they went against the teachings of Christ. In Islam, anyone who kills in the name of Allah (jihad) is promised paradise. It's not some radicals. It's the religion itself promoting violence and promising rewards for those who kill in its name.
brycef says2016-10-24T03:00:10.0253878Z
Pudi - I hope you realize if you meet a Christian in the Middle East, he's going to call God "Allah". Allah is literally the word for God in Arabic. There are a lot of Christians in the Middle East. I urge you to travel a little and actually learn about the world around you.
Shanncl716 says2016-10-24T21:56:34.5667883Z
Third option- Both names are correct... Different religions are going to believe in different things and call their Gods different names. If it doesn't affect your beliefs, why should it matter? For all you know, you're both wrong.
JOHNCENA1738 says2016-10-24T23:02:52.5142878Z
I kid on the comment btw
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-25T01:02:25.0603843Z
@Rjupudi18 Christianity is the far more violent religion it shares similar beliefs with The Bible for like killing gays etc. However Christianity makes women nothing more than objects especially given that in the Bible it states that if a women who is a virgin is raped and she is not married the rapist has to pay the father and basically buy the girl and marries them. Neither Religions are peaceful but in my eyes since I have read both The Bible and The Quran I view Islam as the better religion when it comes to peace not to mention it's killed way less people than Christianity has.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-25T05:50:41.4684580Z
@brycef I have many Arab Christian friends myself and they refer to God as Allah. However, Arab Christians will agree God's NAME is not Allah. According to the Torah (which both Christians and Jews follow), God's name is Yahweh. Allah is just another word meaning "the god" in Arabic. Just because Arab Christians call God Allah doesn't mean God changes His name to Allah. Arab Christians don't represent all Christians. There are 2 billion plus non-Arab Christians in the world. Allah, Adonai, God, Elohim, Dios, Dieu, etc are all titles of God. But the Name of God accordion to the Torah is Yahweh.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-25T05:59:18.9081749Z
@Knaveslayer99 What is your evidence that Christianity is less peaceful than Islam? Are you really that ignorant to not see all the atrocities committed by Muslims. The Bible objectifies women? Yeah, raping girls in Nigeria and converting them to Islam doesn't sound like objectifying at all. Or burning a girl alive in Pakistan because she was accused of insulting the Quran doesn't sound objectifying at all. Or the Hadith which tells us that a woman's word is worth half a man's and that most people in hell are women doesn't sound objectifying at all. If you think Islam is so peaceful, why don't you live in the Middle East or North Africa and then tell me how peaceful Islam is.
JOHNCENA1738 says2016-10-25T11:19:43.8883690Z
Actually @Rjupdudi they really do. While they both stand for different religions, in an essence Muslims and Christians both support the God of the Hebrews. The Muslims just believe that Isaac was not the chosen son of Abram, rather Ishmael was instead. YHWH is the proper name as well
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-25T12:11:03.3174415Z
@Rjupudi18 How ignorant can you be should we just ignore the SEVEN crusades that happened let me just repeat that SEVEN CRUSADES that slaughtered cities, burned Muslims both children and adults but no a couple of modern day things that Muslims have committed are clearly more violent and devastating than destroying entire cities multiple times can you tell me when Muslims have destroyed multiple cities multiple times?
JOHNCENA1738 says2016-10-25T12:27:30.3669687Z
@Knaveslayer99 but you do realize they have taken over multiple different towns throughout the middle east, right? They practically control major parts of the middle east, implementing Shariah Law in every country. So in my opinion I still believe that Muslim Jihad is still worse than the Crusades.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-25T23:11:06.6131201Z
@JOHNCENA1738 I understand where you're coming from but I would have to disagree. Christians and Muslims both claim to worship the God of Abraham. The key word here is 'claim'. However, the problem arises when you compare Yahweh of the Bible and Allah of the Quran. Yahweh is a caring, loving, and personal God whom you can have a personal relationship with. Allah is a cruel, wrathful and unapproachable god who's character is so different from Yahweh. Allah loves only Muslims while Yahweh loves all human being who are created in His image. How can God both love and hate people at the same time. God does not contradict Himself. Calling the Muslim Allah the same as Yahweh is insulting Yahweh and His perfect nature. Allah is an imperfect being. Yahweh is a perfect Being. To say they're one and the same is insulting the true and perfect God. Plus, you have to remember Yawheh is the triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Allah is a strict unity who rejects Jesus' divinity. Yahweh sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to die for the sins of mankind allowing us to have eternal life in Him. Allah sent no one and prepared no way for redemption. In conclusion, the Islamic Allah is a false god who hides behind the mask of the true God and deceives Christians.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T00:04:46.3878751Z
I concur with Rjupudi18 All and Yahweh are two different people and like I've said in previous other statements is that the crusades were a result of Islamic aggression and the invasion of the holy land.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-26T00:32:39.4457312Z
I agree with Mrpresident16. Muslims will always use the Crusades to attack Christianity and to avoid talking about violence in their religion. The Crusades were not acts of aggression by Christian extremists. If you know your history, you will see that Christians back then were persecuted and killed by Muslims just as they are today. The Crusades were acts of self-defense against Islamic aggressors. Islam from its very beginning was a religion of conquest. Muhammad and his successors conquered Arabia and Muslims continue to conquer to this day. Had the Crusades not happened, Muslims would have taken over Europe and we would all be living in the Stone Age shouting Allahu Akbar.
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-26T02:11:04.3392514Z
@Rjupudi18 This is one of the only times I will ever swear but seriously what the FUCK are you on about? Your telling me Muslims attacked you 7 times! That is hard to belief the Muslims only ever went on "one" Crusade which was luckily stopped by a French King (God Bless The French) apart from that Christians and Churches ordered people to kill Jews for "starting" the Black Death which included burning them, drowning them etc. Wake up Rjupudi18 and just open your eyes and see what atrocities committed by your religion hell I could easily compare Christianity To Nazism given how similar they are in terms of belief.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:18:51.9834491Z
Wow Christianity is equal to nazism what The ( expletive ) are you on and as far as I'm concerned we never did that to the Jews where did you get that info from If anything they were the ones who stoned us and beat us with clubs and such ever read The book of acts where one of our brothers were stoned by men of Jewish decent
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-26T02:24:24.2306932Z
@Mrpresident16 http://www.sixmillioncrucifixions.com/Blaming_the_Jews_for_the_Black_Death_plague.html Never done anything like that to the Jews eh? I find that incredibly hard to believe given historical facts and evidence just like Hitler Christians blamed the Jews for bad things and had them killed for it. But that wasn't bad enough just killing Jews so you looked East mainly the Middle East and thus insert 7 (Mostly failed) religious campaigns man some religions make people ignorant.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:27:48.3736018Z
Please address my rebuttal on how they persecuted us.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:28:52.6460138Z
Nazi's were clearly not Christians
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:29:45.2495510Z
Even though they tried to claim they were.
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-26T02:31:53.0024556Z
@Mrpresident16 Please tell me how killing lets say they killed around 1 Million Christians equal justifying 6 million deaths than looking East (Like Hitler) and killing people who lived in the East. Also a lot of Nazis were Christians and I mean lot of them were so please go look at history rather than trying to edit it so it makes your religion look good.
triangle.128k says2016-10-26T02:32:31.1878147Z
@mrpresident DEUS VULT INFIDEL
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:36:00.6035571Z
Nea, We started in the middle east in Isreal and in the early stages of the church we were persecuted because, the Jews denied the messiah. We've always been there
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-26T02:41:06.4279175Z
@MrPresident16 I am aware you started there but I am referring to what the Holy Roman Catholic Church ordered Christians to do (The Crusades and such) I do have to admit though the Knights on the Crusades had amazing looking armor.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:43:36.5825657Z
Well at least we agree on one thing lol
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:44:52.8789691Z
Deus Vult
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:45:38.8212636Z
We did have some pretty sick looking armor.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:47:39.5229230Z
I'm not catholic I am baptist However we did not appreciate Muslims coming into the holy land and corrupting it with their pedophile prophet and atrocious ideas
Knaveslayer99 says2016-10-26T02:47:56.1801441Z
@MrPresident16 Also I just want to make myself clear I'm not against Christianity or Islam I just like bringing up points to see how others react :P But yes you guys definitely had the sickest armor and the sickest battle crys
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:54:34.1735810Z
Well I must take leave good sir i enjoyed the debate however,I will leave you with this video i hope you will watch and take careful consideration of it https://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo and with that I shall leave till tomorrow.
Mrpresident16 says2016-10-26T02:55:46.6635600Z
You may copy and paste link since it didn't appear as clickable .
brycef says2016-10-26T03:16:14.6098314Z
The notion that God has one true name is ridiculous. When people talk about God, they're really talking about the sum of reality, and their understanding of it. I know some literalists will say "He only created it!", but I call bullshit. The concept of God is the concept of a unified reality. So the fact that people want to know "His true name", so they can talk about Him like He's a buddy of theirs is absurd. And if we're really going back to the Bible, His name isn't Yahweh, it's YHWH.
Rjupudi18 says2016-10-26T05:06:47.8659520Z
@brycef God is a Being that is separate from creation (what you call reality). He was the One who created reality, time, space, matter, etc. If you think God is all of reality, then there would be no God at all. God is a very real Being and His Name is revealed in the Holy Bible. You said God's Name is YHWH. I agree but YHWH has four constants so we cannot pronounce without having vowels. If you study the Hebrew language, you will learn God's name is Yahweh when spoken verbally. You said God creating the Universe is bulls*it. Then who created the Universe. Did the Universe create itself. Can you create yourself? God is outside of the physical reality in order that He created it.
brycef says2016-10-26T08:33:47.0431616Z
The idea that there is no God if he's not separate from the world is not only incoherent, but it's also hopelessly nihilistic in that in devalues life by saying there's something greater elsewhere. To be sure, there are many branches of religious thought, including in Christianity, that say God is separate from the world. But there are also branches of thought that say that he is one with creation, that he is the unifier. An example of this in Christianity is Tolstoy, who made a strong point that the point of being a good Christian is to create a Heaven on earth - in other words, act as a good Christian and you make the world heavenly, but act in ways that are against God and you create hell on earth. This is a much more valuable perspective than just idly hoping for these places after death. But, of course, there are many branches of Christianity that disagree with this. Notably Deism and Mormonism are in your corner, the former saying the Gods have forgotten us, the latter saying the Gods are space aliens. Many branches of Sufism, the philosophical/spiritual branch of Islam, say that every living thing is a piece of God, thus illustrating that all life is holy and connected. There is another branch of Islam that considers Sufism heretical and dangerous for that very idea - Salafi (violent fundamentalists). Like the Sufists, Jews and Sikhs both believe we are all bits of God's divinity, making life holy and interconnected. Zen Buddhists, at least the theistic ones, also agree with this. My father is Jewish and I was raised in that religion, so I have studied Hebrew, and it's YHWH. Traditionally in Judaism people say it's impossible to pronounce correctly, and the move toward "Yahweh" seems to be a simplification effort by Christians, to basically make the whole thing more accessible and dumbed down. As for the question of can god create himself, that leads us to a very cliche and old question: if God created the universe, then who created God? You can either say He created Himself, or you can say He is reality and creation. Also, excuse me for the profanity in my last post. I try to avoid it on this site, but that time it slipped.
Falperolf says2016-10-28T14:56:37.4709159Z
You guys are all wrong so shut up!
Falperolf says2016-10-28T15:02:13.4932082Z
The first name that God ever calls himself is Yahweh. But that just means, "I am." I think its a fair statement to say that the true name of God is too powerful, to great for humans to understand. If you want to know the name of God, open your eyes. Look at the seas of the world, He holds them in his hands. Look at the people of earth, he knows how many hairs each has on their heads. Look at the stars, there is over a trillion of them. He named every one. Look at the universe. He made it. That is the closest you will ever get to knowing the name of God, until we get to heaven.
Overnight says2016-11-28T23:22:57.6980755Z
C'mon. This flame war is useless. Attacking Christianity and Islam is not right.
TheGuys says2017-08-06T10:08:20.1996732Z
Islam roots from Ishmael, Guess whos dad is Ishmaels ??? Abraham ... Wasnt Abraham Blessed by Yahweh? Which is the personal name of God! Not Allah, Allah is a title :0 This debate should be over LAMo
gabriel.ungacta says2017-12-28T02:32:50.2607405Z
How can an infinite being possibly have a name? There is no name for "God"
AJR says2018-02-23T02:30:44.2326949Z
He is known by tons of things. It's like asking whether to call your paternal parent "dad", "father", or "papa". Who cares? Same person.

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