What Makes you happy in life? Would you give it up, if god tells you to?

Posted by: XxShiro123xX

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No i wouldn't give it up

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reece says2017-10-25T14:10:30.5203227Z
What If you start hearing a voice in your head (claiming to be God) telling you to sacrifice one of your family members?
Seiji says2017-10-25T15:17:33.1309085Z
@reece then seek help.
clild says2017-11-11T23:15:10.7149367Z
That's a good question. I would recommend replacing 'god' with another term, considering not everyone believes in a higher being. Perhaps 'something bigger than yourself that you believe in truly/has the ultimate say', such as what if science (if you are intensely close with science/ scientific method) told you to stop? This boils down to cognitive dissonance, and because of what that entails (and I recommend reading on about this subject), we can easily assume most will answer 'no'.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2017-11-23T05:22:20.2795716Z
Reece XD Honestly though, if God told me to and I knew it was God telling me to do it I would. Not saying I wouldn't feel awful, I would. But above all else Gods will be done.
ijaouanek says2017-11-28T23:05:12.8887485Z
I wouldn't think it's god
Bitch_Goddess says2017-11-29T17:42:13.1126239Z
Spiffy.....You'd kill your entire family....Because a magical sky-daddy told you to...? Shows how crazy some religious nuts are....
missmedic says2017-11-30T12:40:00.5683405Z
I would want to see some I.D. First
missmedic says2017-11-30T12:49:43.9496801Z
I would want to see some I.D. First
Anyara says2018-01-05T15:29:24.2439407Z
What about the atheists/agnostics/etc here? Your poll seems directed to believers of God. If I don't believe that He exists, how do I know that God is telling me to give something up?
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-01-12T02:30:14.9378673Z
Bitch_Goddess, who's more crazy: the person that would kill his family under God's orders, or the person who; if they KNEW it was God (you know, creator and destroyer of all things. The guy who decides what right and wrong actually are. The one who chooses wether you'll go to to a place of never ending happiness as opposed to burning in an eternal fire for all of eternity experiencing the worst pain you've ever felt multiplied by a billion billion. The guy who can do this at will, maybe you've heard of him) they would still refuse him? LOGIC! \(·_·)/
Bitch_Goddess says2018-01-18T20:13:05.9127427Z
Spiffy, Killing is immoral. Perhaps if your 'God' made it moral instead of immoral (even though it would logically make no sense), I'd have a different stance on the issue. However, the moment you force your religion on another (even if this God were to exist), that's where the line gets drawn. You can kill yourself in the name of God for all I care. But no one has the right to inflict harm to *other* people based on the idea that your God spoke to you. Honestly, I'd rather go to Hell rather than go to Heaven with a genocidal psychotic dictator who claims it's perfect and loving- that you people call "God". Living in a place of eternal suffering would be better than conforming to the immoralities that this God would want us to inflict upon others, especially to those I personally love and cherish.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-01-20T06:18:44.5111693Z
XD dude, if God actually spoke to you than it is not a belief, it actually happened. We're talking God here. Decider of right and wrong. If God himself spoke to you and you KNEW it was God, and for him to actually be THE God he would have to be decider of right and wrong, than anything he says is right is automatically right. God's principle is above all others and is above individual morality. Secondly I'm pretty sure if God told you that you have the right to do anything, and Abrahamic Christian God having supreme authority over all things, than I'm pretty sure you DO have the right to. Our inherent sense of right and wrong was given to us by him according to Christianity and he can sure as well change it if he so pleases. You don't seem to understand that God's will would be done regardless. If you refuse he'll simply change your mind and damn you to Hell for questioning him. Also, about the rather going to Hell thing, no you wouldn't. Hell is a place of immortal punishment beyond all manor of mortal comprehension. If you spent even a tenth of a second in hell you would very well be traumatized do to the extreme pain you would be facing. Hell is a final place of torment to punish those who refused God's will that makes even angels suffer in unimaginable pain (keep in mind one Angel killed an entire army in less than a few seconds). I'm sorry but I'm have no doubt that under that kind of pain you would do WHATEVER God wants you to do under ANY circumstances to end that pain, especially considering that your entire life is less than a blink in the time of God.
XxShiro123xX says2018-01-22T14:25:01.8830722Z
If you are a believer of god and he told to kill someone, would you actually do it, what would non-believers think about your religion then ? Here's another question, why did god create such a terrible creature (humans)? Ever since the humans were made so many species have gone extinct, and we even kill each other over some of the most stupid things.
Bitch_Goddess says2018-01-22T21:32:22.0579077Z
So how exactly would one be able to differentiate whether it is God or a voice in your head? No matter the case, you have no right to involve others based on your personal interests on the matter. I couldn't give a shvt if it's "God" or not, you are in charge of your body, and yours alone. Killing someone is involving another, and it is completely immoral. "Secondly I'm pretty sure if God told you that you have the right to do anything, and Abrahamic Christian God having supreme authority over all things, than I'm pretty sure you DO have the right to." Yet, he isn't in charge of everyone. He could be considered in charge of those who follow him, but no one else is compelled or required to follow that sadistic fairy. Assuming God really does exist, he gave us as individuals free will- not the power to dictate what happens to others lives. "Our inherent sense of right and wrong was given to us by him according to Christianity and he can sure as well change it if he so pleases." Then, by all means, if "God" decides to make murder and despair moral, go right on ahead. However, the fact remains right now, that it is not. So if someone decides to murder another person "in the name of God", because "God told [me] so", you can bet your ass I'll be 100% against it. "I'm sorry but I'm have no doubt that under that kind of pain you would do WHATEVER God wants you to do under ANY circumstances to end that pain, especially considering that your entire life is less than a blink in the time of God." Nah, I'd be tossing back some drinks with my main-man Satan and partying with some bad-ass demons.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-01-24T02:39:18.7258136Z
XxShiro123xX, not really. We kill each other over money, love, power, identity, safety, land, etc. Only difference with animals is they don't kill each other over money. However there have been plenty times when a fat animal would kill another fat animal over food, despite having plenty of its own. I'd say man is plenty better than other species since we've made cures, buildings, advanced technology, theology, sociology, etc.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-01-24T02:40:08.1163634Z
XxShiro123xX, not really. We kill each other over money, love, power, identity, safety, land, etc. Only difference with animals is they don't kill each other over money. However there have been plenty times when a fat animal would kill another fat animal over food, despite having plenty of its own. I'd say man is plenty better than other species since we've made cures, buildings, advanced technology, theology, sociology, etc.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-01-24T02:53:53.0134265Z
I'm pretty sure God would make you know. You're a fool if you think that God would have no way of making you know. "You're in charge of your body and yours alone" unless you're a God and you own everything since the creation of existence. It's kind of the point of being God. "You have no right..." actually you do. God kind of gave it to you. "He isn't in charge of everyone, only those who follow him" the Guy who created mankind and ALLOWS it to have free will isn't in charge of it... Because it has free will? Please, explain that. "However the fact remains, it has not" you're saying that the logical rhetorical assumption is not allowed to be made when you're in a rhetorical discussion? Because if so you're missing the entire point of a rhetorical discussion. "You can bet... If someone killed in the name of God... I'd be against it" See, the thing is you're not killing them in God's name. You're killing them because God told you so. There's a number of reasons to do it: you're immortal soul, the greater good, etc. "I'd be... Parting with demons" you obviously have no idea who the devil is, what demons are, or even the point of hell"
Bitch_Goddess says2018-01-24T18:09:18.1132759Z
Spiffy, God gave us free will, correct? Therefore, people are not forced to follow him. In so, they are not inclined to follow his will and his rules, and they are not part of his plan. In so, you are not inclined to be a part of his plan, be it through someone else's actions. Forcing yourself upon those who do not follow God (because God gave us the ability to stray) is not within your due right. If God wants someone dead, he can strike them down himself. Even so, I don't believe in God. And killing is immoral. Even if someone told me God told them to kill their family, I would not believe them. Even if it were to be true. And If I did believe them, I still wouldn't agree with it because, unlike you apparently, I value my life and the life of others. If someone told my sister to murder me, I would be completely against it. It's only common sense. I don't want to die, and I certainly would not die because some homicidal, psychotic God told them to kill me for whatever reason (assuming there's a reason in the first place). Again, if your little God wants to make killing ethical, it would be considered moral and our conscience wouldn't say otherwise. So until your imaginary friend does so, I am, and always will be, against murdering another person (unless through self-defense). Even if God told someone to. "you're not killing them in God's name. You're killing them because God told you so." Killing someone because someone told you is doing it in their name. For example, Muslim extremists kill in the name of their God, Allah. Because they believe that's what he wants them to do- that he asks for it in the Torah. When you kill for someone else, you are doing it in their name. "If you appoint someone to act in your name, it means that they can act as your agent within the restrictions you impose." If you instruct someone to kill, you are giving them the agency to act in your name. " you obviously have no idea who the devil is, what demons are, or even the point of hell" It's a joke, sweetheart. I don't believe in Hell or Heaven, so the idea that I'd be partying with demons is illogical; let alone that they'd be torturing me. As is everything about Heaven or Hell.
Bitch_Goddess says2018-01-24T18:10:02.6827616Z
Spiffy, God gave us free will, correct? Therefore, people are not forced to follow him. In so, they are not inclined to follow his will and his rules, and they are not part of his plan. In so, you are not inclined to be a part of his plan, be it through someone else's actions. Forcing yourself upon those who do not follow God (because God gave us the ability to stray) is not within your due right. If God wants someone dead, he can strike them down himself. Even so, I don't believe in God. And killing is immoral. Even if someone told me God told them to kill their family, I would not believe them. Even if it were to be true. And If I did believe them, I still wouldn't agree with it because, unlike you apparently, I value my life and the life of others. If someone told my sister to murder me, I would be completely against it. It's only common sense. I don't want to die, and I certainly would not die because some homicidal, psychotic God told them to kill me for whatever reason (assuming there's a reason in the first place). Again, if your little God wants to make killing ethical, it would be considered moral and our conscience wouldn't say otherwise. So until your imaginary friend does so, I am, and always will be, against murdering another person (unless through self-defense). Even if God told someone to. "you're not killing them in God's name. You're killing them because God told you so." Killing someone because someone told you is doing it in their name. For example, Muslim extremists kill in the name of their God, Allah. Because they believe that's what he wants them to do- that he asks for it in the Torah. When you kill for someone else, you are doing it in their name. "If you appoint someone to act in your name, it means that they can act as your agent within the restrictions you impose." If you instruct someone to kill, you are giving them the agency to act in your name. " you obviously have no idea who the devil is, what demons are, or even the point of hell" It's a joke, sweetheart. I don't believe in Hell or Heaven, so the idea that I'd be partying with demons is illogical; let alone that they'd be torturing me. As is everything about Heaven or Hell.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-01-25T06:07:42.9175561Z
Bitch_Goddess, you're lack in faith has nothing to do with this discussion. You're correct in the assumption that God gave is free will, however you're wrong in the assumption that if God allowed us to harm another that it is still immoral. You keep bringing up this idea that God can "go ahead and make it moral". So ill say this as clearly as I can. This is a RHETORICAL DISCUSSION. One in which God has ordered you to kill someone. Under these circumstances he had ALREADY made such an act moral. Forcing others to act against their will, harming others, all of this would be considered moral because the one who decides what is moral has ALREADY MADE IT MORAL. So under these circumstances, NOT doing what God says would insure that you KNOWINGLY commit an evil act. Because under this discussion God would HAVE to exist, which would mean he IS the decider of right and wrong, not whatever you happen to believe at the time. You say it's common sense yet if this rhetorical situation actually occurred than you would KNOW there is an afterlife and you would KNOW that Hell and Heaven are real. So tell me logically, what makes more sense: committing an act which God deems to be just and receiving eternal pleasure. Or having your "I know better than God" moment and burning in Hell for infinite quadrillion years? It seems to me that acting on emotion knowing that it will earn you a negative outcome is not the logical thing to do, but that is just me. "Imaginary friend", "little God", etc. Once again, A RHETORICAL DISCUSSION. Under this discussion God MUST exist or else the discussion would not take place. "If you kill someone because someone told you to, you're killing in their name". This is the exact same as saying soldiers fight for Trump or Hitmen kill for mob bosses. There are many reasons to kill when told to that do not account for killing in their name. Say that someone was a demon. If God told an atheist to, than they could assume that they were killing them for the sake of humanity. Not for God. Or worse yet, their immortal soul. "I don't believe..." frankly I don't care what you do or don't believe. I have yet to reveal my religion. For all you know I could worship the flying spaghetti monster. NONE. OF. THIS. IS. RELEVANT. TO THE. DISCUSSION. For the final time: RHETORICAL discussion. If you KNEW God spoke to you (for whatever reason the universe has to offer) than you would KNOW God exists and therefore NOT be an atheist because you would have KNOWN GOD. Rather than offering up a bunch of dogmatic statements against Christianity, why not stick to the discussion?
temery2383 says2018-06-10T05:33:57.7897774Z
Ultimately, the most fulfilling thing I could possibly do in life is image God and give Him the glory that He is due (to clarify, I'm referring to the triune, fundamentally loving God of the Bible). We as humans are created in the very image of God as worshipful beings, and because of this our human flourishing comes through fulfilling this purpose of glorifying God, which in turn glorifies God even more and causes us to flourish even more, and so on. It would be silly to think that God would ever tell me to give that up.
smokey0990 says2018-06-16T21:02:03.8756731Z
I'm not going to read all of this long ridiculous argument, but I would like to point something out for anyone reading. God does not decide what is right and what is wrong, these are relative terms related to morals. Each person decides their own morals it is not necessary to involve god. If god is the sole decider of right and wrong then most Christians have a lot to answer for. Since the Bible makes it clear that divorce, adultery, (any sex outside of marriage according to the Bible) and masturbation are all very very wrong in the eyes of God and not at all okay. According to the same book slavery, rape, (inside of marriage) and genocide (as long as god says so) are all okay.
Spiffy-Gonzalez says2018-06-17T09:50:29.5224352Z
Smokey you obviously have no idea about the Christian faith if you believe for a second that it says rape is okay. Also genocide never occurred in the bible. Not once. God allowed the destruction of nations but he never said "hey, so those people with that skin color? Splatter their blood across the streets". Slavery: only for six years and you are to treat them as guests. "It is not necessary to involve god" in a discussion entirely involved with God it sure as heck is. "God does not make morals... Each person decides their own morals" UNLESS OF COURSE God DOES exist (which is the entire premise of this conversation) and has given us all an inherent sense of right and wrong. In which case, HE made and decides morality. "Most Christians have a lot to answer for" wow if only that were said in the bible itself. Like maybe it should have been said numerous times and both the new testament and the old testament. Like what if it was said so often that literally anyone who's actually read the whole bible would take that as common knowledge? Wouldn't that just be a doozy? Yes, adultery is wrong. Masturbation is a form of adultery. You're correct here. Divorce: I have two issues with your statement here. The first is that God makes it clear that if your spouse commits adultery than you can divorce them. The second is that if someone has a problem with this it's still a non issue seeing is marriage is a religious ceremony and those who don't like should probably just not get married under the Christian faith don't you think? Sign the paperwork, don't get a priest, throw a party. Is saving money and doing less work suddenly harder? Frankly your comment has nothing to do with discussion. It seems to me that you just wanted to make an angry rant about a God who you neither believe in nor know enough about to make a solid argument. You even stated that you did not read my comment. Wilful ignorance is not what this site nor this discussion were made for.
smokey0990 says2018-06-17T13:32:00.4161771Z
Spiffy, you missed the point of my post, by a lot. I said morality is not God given, the closest you came to addressing this point was repeating yourself. Your argument is basically, "God exists so he must decide morals for everyone" that is simply not true. People make up their own minds, God doesn't do it for us real or no. As you seem to be (understandably) offended by some of the things I said, I will explain them. Corinthians 7:3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Ephesians 5:24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Timothy 2:11-12 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”.... So yes according to the Bible a woman has no right to refuse her husband, and rape inside of a marriage is acceptable. Say what you want but for centuries the people reading the Bible, and indeed devoting their entire lives to it saw no problem with rape inside of marriage. Keep in mind that throughout the majority of this time marriages were arranged and rarely based on emotion. There are lines that dictate how a man should treat the woman properly, but at the end of the day the mans word is law. The woman is to serve her husband in all ways regardless of her desires. The Bible makes this very clear. You say there were no genocides in the Bible? Not once? Samuel 15:3 Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys. Numbers 31:7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. Numbers 31:17 So now, kill all the boys, and kill every woman who has had relations with a man Deuteronomy 2:33-34 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. And we captured all his cities at that time and devoted to destruction every city, men, women, and children. We left no survivors. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:27 So the Lord was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.... Not once but repeatedly the God of the Bible sent his faithful warriors to commit Genocide, often in the name of revenge, but that does not change the fact that it is still a genocide. According to my own personal sense of right and wrong there is never an excuse to kill a child, and God is, in my opinion very wrong for even allowing it let alone endorsing it, The fact that you were unaware of these genocides (especially as it relates to Joshua which I thought was rather well-known in the Christian community) calls everything you said into question. However your answer on slavery is correct, just to clarify though each term was to last for 6 years. If you chose slavery after that it could be longer. Slavery itself was supposed to be (as far as I can tell) entirely voluntary, and there are many lines on proper treatment of slaves. You're also correct on divorce, adultery was an acceptable reason for divorce. It was also a major sin, even though most people today have no moral issues with sex outside of marriage. That is the actual point, multiple things most people consider wrong today were allowed in the Bible by the God who you claim is the sole decider of right and wrong. There are also things in the Bible that were considered very wrong which most people today consider to be okay. Since the Bible is the only source of information we have on God this means that what we know of God's sense of right and wrong does not always match what the majority of the population considers right and wrong in modern times. That was the whole point of my post, which you seem to have missed. Morality changes over time and varies from person to person. I did end up reading your earlier posts out of boredom, and it was ridiculous. Repeating yourself and typing in caps does not make you right (although I wouldn't say the person you were going back and forth with was right about everything either) Yes for the purposes of this question/discussion we assume that God is real and has in fact contacted me or you or whoever and that person knows that it is in fact God. However that does not mean everyone must conclude that God is right and that whatever he tells you to do is right. Morality doesn't work like that. It is based on what each person considers right and wrong, The fact that we are even having this discussion is proof that morals can and do vary from person to person. In this scenario you believe the right thing to do is whatever God says, I believe the right thing to do is the exact opposite. Each of us decides what we consider right and what we consider wrong. Some people get this from religion, others from social opinions/pressures, and some come up with them on their own. Many make their sense of right and wrong from a combination of these methods, or even other methods I haven't thought of. Assuming that God exists, he gave us free will and apparently has no interest in taking it a way. Since we do have free will we can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. You use your free will to trust in God and believe he is good and right even in this extreme scenario. There is nothing wrong with that, some of the best people I've ever known were devout Christians. It becomes a problem when you, based on that belief, start killing other people because God said so. This kind of thinking led to countless wars, many witch hunts, multiple genocides and much brutality between different religions (not all of it was christian either). So In this scenario I do not have to believe that God is good simply because he exists. I do not have to put my trust in him, and I do not have to have faith in how good he says he is. Because I have the free will to choose not to and my morals are my own.

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