Wheres you conscience at now, about buying oil from a dictator like that? People protest purchasing (and subsequently supporting) from wicked people all the time, but when it comes to where we get our gas ... Then its suddenly OK.
It didn't need to be all us doing the solving (and it wasn't ... Many nations backed out intent also). Those people were crying out to be saved from that regime. Now their crying to be saved from radicals too. The only thing that makes it remotely look like a mistake was the fact that things got worse before they got better ... And we backed out when things got worse.
That is the obvious mistake that we need to learn from all this. Sequestering ourselves and staying out of matters like this before they blow up into huge world wars is a lesson we should have learned already from past wars. I didn't think we were so far separated from those events already that you'd suggest we sit here and mind our own business while countries led by people like that seize surrounding nations. (I'm looking at the Russia/Crimea incident too here ... It is not exclusive).
11:36 - I am happy to leave the oil in that regent. The only path off dependence is necessity. As for the people, we have NEVER helped, only hurt more. I can feel for their suffering and know that we are not the proper help. A better solution MIGHT be to loosen immigration policy's for immigrants from that region.
And when you do nothing, you end up in a situation like the one we had in WWII where dictators seize a bunch of free nations that would have suffered much less and been more apt to help you (= less casualties on your side) when you finally get thrust into war against your will.
If you think we are the only ones playing their cards in that region, youre sadly mistaken. That country is an extension of a bigger enemy. It's sad but necessary that we even have to go there directly to face the issue ... Our enemies were able to make their mark without committing troops because we left them to it long enough for them to make the country into what it is today. Thats what waiting and minding your own business does.
"11:53 - The middle-east is NOT pre-WWII Europe. In fact, many of the problems of the middle-east have direct roots in the failure in that region during/after WWII."
How is 'Eastern superpowers expanding their territorial claim' not in some way like Germans expanding theirs? I suppose incidents like the Cuban missile crisis were unfounded also. Because some country began acting like the puppet of a superpower and showed hostility in their place towards us. Its a pretty convenient way to attack someone.
The Kurds are fairly thankful for our intervention in the middle east. Then again when your ruler starts ethnically cleansing your people with mustard gas and mass executions, your moral bar of what a foreign intervention force does is lowered just a bit.
Though people often criticize him for starting the war, Bush actually did a fairly good job with our involvement in the middle east. Conflicts were limited to simple insurgencies in Iraq and skirmishes in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Other than that the middle east was fairly stable. The Obama administration has... A bit of a longer list. Syria, Iraq (again), Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan (continued), Lebanon, Algeria, and Egypt. Their are also minor incidents in nearly ever other country in the region (Oman is going well though). Say what you will about Bush, but Obama's foreign policy simply sucks.
I can't say how long it would take ... Till we reached a point where they could effectively defend and govern themselves would be nice. In the mean time we get plenty of training and military development/scientific development. All good things. Its nice to have a vetted force familiar in tactics needed for the region too.
If we leave our other operations in the middle east (mainly Afghanistan), the same thing that happened to Iraq will happen to those areas to. Their is simply no one that can fill the power gap that the US would leave other than terror groups. The US is currently the only one keeping peace (or at least order) in the region.
We've tried to get their own people to fill that power gap by training police forces and such. Ill tell you though ... Those people have zero motivation to police themselves. Its sad to say really that the only people with any motivation to do something about the state of their own country and government have all already been recruited into the terrorist organizations ranks. The regular people there are too scared or easily convinced letting their rebel neighbors still operate right under their noses. To them its a civil war, and they arent prepared to bring their brothers and neighbors to justice for the crimes they are committing.