Which do you see a gun as?

Posted by: Mathgeekjoe

There are more than these two ways to see a gun as, but for the purpose of the face off I picked these two.

  • An object used to kill something.

  • A tool to use to incapacitate a threat.

44% 15 votes
56% 19 votes
  • They were invented for war, then used for self defense, then used for hunting. There is also a major overlap within the second two. Hand guns were used for issues like wolves where a musket wasn't gonna load fast enough. They traded force for speed.

  • Guns are made with the intent to kill, injure and/or intimidate.

  • I like to go hunting

  • I see a gun as a tool to use for incapacitating a threat. Incapacitating a threat doesn't even mean killing in all situation. A gun can incapacitate by scaring the threat. A gun can also incapacitate by shooting the threat with a nonfatal shot.

  • I can shoot him in the leg, and he will live.

  • Only liberals hate guns.

  • it was originally one, but shifted

  • It is essentially a tool but people in defense and military careers (along with thugs) mishandle them and see them as tools for ending a life.

  • Guns are different from swords and other weapons only in effectiveness. They were invented as tools of war, but since they exist, they are needed as tools of self-defense since aggressors could try to attack you with weapons of the same deadliness.

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58539672 says2015-04-16T22:06:04.0850816-05:00
Its a tool. And like all tools, how you use it is completely up to the wielder.
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T22:07:36.0609128-05:00
I am going to build homes for the impoverished using my Winchester!
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:09:15.8691218-05:00
Brian, I think you just contradicted yourself. You said that they are made with the intent to kill, injure, and/or intimidate. Two of the things you said don't include killing something (unless you want to get into super semantics and say cells are a living thing).
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T22:11:55.0627319-05:00
@Joe: I feel like the two options not being mutually exclusive is some of the issue with that. Like, killing a person can DEFINITELY incapacitate a threat. So Brian's definition is kind of both. So is mine if you count invading countries and wolves as threats. I know I do.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:14:09.9032631-05:00
All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares.
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T22:17:10.8630587-05:00
@Joe: There's still a degree of grey area here.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:17:28.5999176-05:00
Using a gun to kill can be incapacitate a threat. But incapacitating a threat with a gun isn't always killing.
TBR says2015-04-16T22:17:34.8199188-05:00
The threat is meaningless unless the device is capable of killing (hurting). The designed purpose of the gun is to inflict harm.
briantheliberal says2015-04-16T22:19:23.6633048-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, so let me get this straight. Because guns are also used to injure and intimidate it somehow isn't a tool also used to kill?
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T22:21:38.9907023-05:00
@Joe: I guess that means that people should only vote the one on the right if they think it is made without the intent to kill?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:24:45.6211679-05:00
"Mathgeekjoe, so let me get this straight. Because guns are also used to injure and intimidate it somehow isn't a tool also used to kill?" "Because rectangles can also not be square, they somehow can't be be a square." Yes a gun can be used to kill. But a gun doesn't have to be used to kill.
briantheliberal says2015-04-16T22:27:59.8261784-05:00
But it's very purpose IS to kill, that's what they are made for.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:37:49.9628294-05:00
"But it's very purpose IS to kill, that's what they are made for." The purpose of making a gun is to be a platform for launching a projectile. Guns aren't always made to with the very purpose to kill, some are made to shoot rubber bullets, a semi non lethal projectile. Some guns are made to open doors. Some guns are made to take down equipment.
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T22:39:59.9239301-05:00
@Joe: The gun was deigned as an edge over swordsmen.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:42:24.8763425-05:00
TheMarquis, is this currently what you see a gun as now?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:46:00.8697887-05:00
Put it this way, if you were to buy a gun, what would you claim it purpose is (other than hunting) what would you say it purpose is, to kill something or to incapacitate a threat.
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T22:49:23.3382950-05:00
@Joe: I don't know if this makes sense, but if I felt I needed a gun, I'd say it was for self defense, but I'd definitely have a very specific idea as to what I was using it for. I can take on the average joe smo on the street. If I feel the need to buy a gun there is a specific person I feel the need to blow away.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T22:58:57.0097847-05:00
But are you buying the gun to kill them, or to incapacitate them?
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T23:00:19.7019057-05:00
@Joe: To blow their heads off if I feel the need to go that far. Using a gun to do less than kill is a sign of weakness and begging for repercussion. If I buy the gun, I am not making a threat or a statement, I am ending a life. That is why I have never bought one legally or otherwise. I have never been pushed that far.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T23:01:54.2610539-05:00
But are you ending a life because you want to kill the person, or are you ending a life because you need to end a threat?
TheMarquis says2015-04-16T23:03:27.3363185-05:00
@Joe: They might have just made me that mad. Know how they say people can't pass a psyche test shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun? I shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. But either way, it causes a death. That makes it for killing or for both.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-16T23:06:28.7689748-05:00
The purpose makes a slight difference. Some people don't like having to shoot someone, but if they have to stop the threat they will. Now if you might kill someone because your mad, I have to say you probably shouldn't have a gun.
Heterodox says2015-04-17T09:08:54.2340121-05:00
A tool is usually an object. I don't see a difference in the answers. However, I was raised to only point a weapon at something I intended to kill.
tajshar2k says2015-04-17T09:41:06.1481662-05:00
It was meant to kill, but it can be used for other purposes.
Trustmeinlying says2015-04-17T13:04:49.5581562-05:00
@TheMarquis Guns were originally made for hunting and then became a tool of war.
CannedBread says2015-04-17T16:25:42.9563169-05:00
There is one guy above who said that if you shoot someone in the leg they will survive, if it hits an artery than they won't.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-17T16:26:44.3030903-05:00
Well you can survive a gunshot to the head, so your point is?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-17T16:27:24.2478977-05:00
You can survive a gunshot to the head, you can die from a shot to the leg.

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