Which is more likely to be in prison, a Catholic or a person without a religion?

Posted by: Mathgeekjoe

This is not asking which an person in prison is more likely to be, but which is more likely to be in prison.

  • A Catholic

  • A person without a religion

48% 11 votes
52% 12 votes
  • From the source The Marquis provided.

  • mainly because Catholics are the substantial minority.

  • More people in the U.S. are catholic's, so more people in prison come from catholic backgrounds

  • Most hispanics are catholic. Most atheists are well-educated whites.

  • Because religion does not actually improve your morality (like it promises) it only makes it worse by overriding good morals with religious rules. Example: the story of Adam and Eve, it basically means seeking knowledge is a sin.

    Posted by: MrFox
  • I'd say atheisits, as in less religious. I'm assuming that, in order to be Catholic, you must be religious, not just baptized or confirmed. So less religious people is more likely

  • The Courts' oaths pledging not to lie involve christianity, so...

    Posted by: benhos
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ButterCatX says2015-05-02T12:34:19.5685510-05:00
Why catholic specifically?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T12:35:11.8760216-05:00
Because it is difficult to add up all of the christian religions.
Tumblrnatic says2015-05-02T12:36:05.2599060-05:00
@mathgeekjoe why not say christians as a broad category
Midnight1131 says2015-05-02T12:36:34.6078418-05:00
"This is not asking which an person in prison is more likely to be, but which is more likely to be in prison." What do you mean by this?
debate_power says2015-05-02T12:37:49.2040386-05:00
Odd poll
Varrack says2015-05-02T12:39:34.5605212-05:00
And of course someone votes catholic. Typical anti-theists.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T12:42:08.7929391-05:00
Before I would have said that there was no difference, but I Googled it, and the Catholic is practically the MOST likely. Atheists make up 4% of Americans but about 0.2% of prisoners. Catholics make up about 24% of Americans and 39% of prisoners. That is troublesome for Catholics, but great for Atheists. Depressing to me still as an atheist, because I love all people, Catholics included. Citation: https://www.Cia.Gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.Html http://www.Patheos.Com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/16/what-percentage-of-prisoners-are-atheists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T12:42:28.8216153-05:00
@Varrak: I said Catholic and showed my reasoning.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T12:43:30.3113829-05:00
@CyberConor: In what world are there more Atheists than Catholics? Apart from maybe the Nordic world, but that's a different type of world.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T12:45:16.6060207-05:00
@Varrak: And by your logic, isn't everybody who voted, anti-somebody else?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T12:48:34.2289996-05:00
@TheMarquis can you give a statistic that is more recent.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T12:56:05.0462778-05:00
@Joe: I can definitely try. I found it! And the percentage for Atheists has gone down! I cannot really find the number for Catholics. I'd love to see it if you can. Http://www.Alternet.Org/tea-party-and-right/why-atheists-make-85-percent-americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prison
TBR says2015-05-02T12:58:11.7913643-05:00
I have some interest in comments more than the poll question. As has been pointed out, voting non-religious is "typical atheists bias, but not the other way around?
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:00:29.2918754-05:00
@TBR: It blows my mind how fast a majority in America is willing to pull out the victim card. CyberConor even tried to say that Atheists outnumber Catholics, and I bet if this was an Atheist or a Muslim and somebody selected Muslim he wouldn't be calling it antitheist, when theist refers to ALL religious people(with the exception of deists.)
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:00:46.7681461-05:00
My computer blocks that site. But I have seen that statistic before. But note that the question doesn't ask whether a person is atheist but rather if they without a religion.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:01:28.4010332-05:00
@Joe: An atheist isn't a person who rejects religion. It is a person who follows no God. It is a person with no religion.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:01:43.1838314-05:00
@Joe: And why on Earth does your computer block sites?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:03:29.1465812-05:00
@ Marquis, Sorry for dismissing your first link so quickly, I didn't scroll down far enough, but I don't think you did either. Anyways, what was the percentage of people without a prefered religion?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:04:37.8159911-05:00
"@Joe: An atheist isn't a person who rejects religion. It is a person who follows no God. It is a person with no religion." I am aware of this, but that doesn't change the fact that people often don't answers surveys that way.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:10:10.3963140-05:00
@Joe: That number is still a lot smaller than the Catholic one, even if you add Atheist with it. And I'm honestly not entirely sure what "No Prefer" means. I get the feeling they are Deists, or spiritual people who don't follow any specific text, but still have faith in what they personally believe. It is hard to really know, and I'm sure some Atheists did end up in that number, but I doubt that is the whole number.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:16:43.7271680-05:00
"That number is still a lot smaller than the Catholic one, even if you add Atheist with it." Hence the reason why I added the description. I am asking which group is more likely to have its members be in prison, not which a prisoner is more likely to be.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:19:57.1505638-05:00
@Joe: That "No Prefer" is still a very gray line. The only concrete statement there is Atheist, which is exceptionally small. No Prefer could mean a lot.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:25:16.6273585-05:00
I compared the data of prison population from "http://www.Patheos.Com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/16/what-percentage-of-prisoners-are-atheists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/" with the religious population of americans. (http://www.Census.Gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0075.Pdf) What I got was 15% of the population did not believe in a religion, but 17% of the prison population did not prefer a religion. Now note that the census lacked a do not prefer, so they voted for a different option, such as no religion. I also got that 25% of total population was Catholic while 24% of the prison population was.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:27:07.7351680-05:00
The only problem is that the two sources were 5 years apart which may cause differences in the population amounts.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-02T13:31:02.5904344-05:00
To be fair, the "ha ha theists there are very few atheists in prison most prisoners are theists atheists are so awesomely moral compared to you hypocrite savages" statistics probably do not tell the whole story. For instance, probably a large number of atheists who are imprisoned convert to some religion while in prison (in the case of African-Americans, often it's Islam). There are, after all, numerous prison ministries. Or, an atheist might say that he's "found Jesus" to get parole from the courts. Or, there may be discrimination against atheists in prison so many atheists don't say that they're atheists.
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:33:06.3136076-05:00
@Vox: There will always be errors in statistics, especially concerning how people identify themselves. I cannot deny that. But as of now they are one of our best tools. @Joe: Preference and belief are very different things.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-02T13:35:15.5291217-05:00
@Mariquis, atheism and no religion are also treated as two different things by the population. Look at the census source I provided. Exactly how many people without a religion were atheist?
TheMarquis says2015-05-02T13:36:46.8940650-05:00
@Joe: If we're going by no organized religion then you are probably right.
Adam2isback says2015-05-02T13:37:22.3265738-05:00
Both... Maybe Catholics more, because Catholics tend to be of the more ethnic groups -- Italians, Irish, Hispanics, sometimes black folks (even though they're predominantly imprisoned regardless). If you're not Protestant/Jewish youre more likely to be indiscriminately incarcerated. Plus Catholics have a negative rep in the media much like blacks do (crime, drugs, sexual immorality, for some group, bad language).
Adam2isback says2015-05-02T13:37:50.4560952-05:00
Sorry make that Protestant/Jewish/atheist
TBR says2015-05-02T13:52:29.9558834-05:00
I'm glad someone brought up the convert issue. For what it's worth, and only tangiicly related to the question but in line with comments, religious converts based on dramatic environments seems like some of the best prove of the hollowness of religion.
komododragon8 says2015-05-02T22:23:09.6326133-05:00
Varrack: way to automatically assume that any one votes catholic is an anti-theist.
MrFox says2015-05-04T03:43:04.2180549-05:00
@Weliss, actually the group of atheists is bigger than any religious sekte. Still that would not matter as the question is about the chance that an individual is in prison, not whether there are more catholics in prison or more atheists. If the question would be about the total number, it'd be very easy. Almost all prisoners in the US are religious, http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/16/what-percentage-of-prisoners-are-atheists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/. However this does not prove that religious people are more likely to end up in jail (even though that's my opinion). Because a convict who finds religion in prison is likely to get out sooner it's likely that many convicts pretend to convert to some religion. So these numbers are likely not correct.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-04T09:25:54.3929023-05:00
@Mr fox. I wasn't talking about only atheist, not that the definition of atheist doesn't apply but they way the word is treated in a survey and the public is slightly different. Try looking at the state of no prefer in the source you gave and compare it to the option of no religion in this census (http://www.Census.Gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0075.Pdf)
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-04T09:28:55.3113458-05:00
Sorry if that link didn't work, DDO auto capitalized it. Try this http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0075.pdf

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