Which is worse: Atheists who promote moral nihilism or religious people who preach dogma?

Posted by: Diqiucun_Cunmin

This is not intended to be a biased poll; please don't vote if you're fine with both.

  • Atheists who promote moral nihilism

  • Religious folk who preach dogma

35% 7 votes
65% 13 votes
  • I got the idea of this poll because I saw that some theists on DDO paint atheists as immoral, while atheists often do the same to religion (such as the recent opinions question against Jesus). Basically, my position is that although I'm sure both sides are mostly well-intentioned, they overall have a negative effect on society. On balance, however, I think nihilism is worse. Religious dogmas are usually sensible. Although there are some parts which are antiquated (such as homophobia) and pushing dogmatism to the extreme gives us fundamentalists or even terrorism, the consequences of a society embracing nihilism is more far-reaching because it robs each person of - or rather, induces people to ignore - his/her moral 'mandate', which is deeply embedded in our nature and bestowed upon us by Nature. Under nihilism, I fear that immoral acts will be much more widespread because people can give themselves the excuse that objective morality does not exist when they, say, perform acts like adultery.

  • The only reason to pick this... Well forget only. There are lots, but the problem I have is religious dogma is (virtually) unable to change.

    Posted by: TBR
  • What TBR said. There is such a thing as moral evolution. You got to admit that a lot of traditional values are senseless and useless in modern society.

    Posted by: reece
  • This side generally has less supporting reasoning.

    Posted by: Nac
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Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-04-06T14:25:15.6840967-05:00
@Which ARE worse
TBR says2015-04-06T14:44:27.1237544-05:00
Lets use an example. An example of Christian dogma would be "the bible is true" or "the bible is inerrant". Understand, or accepting that the bible is not inerrant would not necessary mean there is no God, only that the bible is not inerrant. Christians feel they MUST cling to this dogma, regardless of any new information. That application of dogma does not serve them well, regardless if there is a god or not.
Stefy says2015-04-06T15:14:36.8329892-05:00
It depends on the dogma to me. And i hope whoever made this realizes not all atheists are nihilists.
TBR says2015-04-06T15:28:54.3034603-05:00
Stefy - Initially I had an issue with juxtaposing dogma with morals, but I sort of like the question. Also, I don't think everyone thinks all atheists are also moral nihilists. I could be wrong, but I assume they (the religious) get that.
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-04-06T20:14:43.7400571-05:00
@stefy: I am well aware of that. That's why I didn't put a comma between 'atheists' and 'who'. Since I used a defining relative clause, I implied that atheists who promote moral nihilism are only a type of atheist.
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-04-06T20:21:06.7533639-05:00
Interesting that apart from myself, all the members who voted for nihilism were religious, and all the members who voted for dogma were atheists except Death, who didn't state his religion. I'm wondering what other people who, like me, belong to neither camp think.
TBR says2015-04-06T23:16:25.0621886-05:00
Moral nihilism cant be "bad" by its self. Dogma CAN be "bad".
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-04-07T08:46:30.5071648-05:00
@TBR: From another perspective, moral nihilism can't be good per se either, while dogma can.
reece says2015-04-14T20:44:07.7419271-05:00
@Diqiucun_Cunmin you're right, nihilism isn't good; it's neutral, unlike dogma.
UtherPenguin says2015-04-14T22:24:13.5051835-05:00
@reece However because of it's neutrality, Nihilism is therefore not capable of being good either however Dogma can.
reece says2015-04-14T22:39:36.4300635-05:00
Religious dogma like punishing minority's? Child marriage and sex? Sacred Pain? etc.
reece says2015-04-14T22:41:03.6423121-05:00
Or would i just be discriminating if i said their bad?
reece says2015-04-14T22:41:29.9973883-05:00
There*

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