Which of these two will insure a brighter Future?

Posted by: Comrade_Silly_Otter

What will insure a better future for our future generations?

  • Socialism / Progressive

  • Capitalism

41% 9 votes
59% 13 votes
  • capitalism: a system that bankrupts morality in pursuit of money. hail the moneybags.

  • a plantation economy will not lead to a brighter future by any means. socialism is the way to go.

  • Without a doubt.

  • In a capitalist society you'll see more and faster technological advancement. Technology has more to do with how societies operate than do public policy. Given that advancement of technology is typically good. It follows that society would be better off be purely capitalistic.

    Posted by: Wylted
  • Comrade, you keep confusing socio-capitalism with pure socialism. It annoys me. As for which one is purely better, a nation can survive on more capitalism then socialism.

  • I agree with the general consensus on this side. Both will not work on their own at all and will ultimately fail for the future. Socialism will result is low technological advancement, low innovation and low standards in general, whilst capitalism will result in an equality gap so large with a poor that is screwed over. There needs to be a balance. There needs to be a safety net, the public industry and the government handling necessities. But once that is achieved well, then Capitalism is going to be what actually pushes the country forward. The likes of Norway is not "socialist", but socio-capitalist to just a very liberal capitalist country, as is with most successful countries today. I agree with Jifpop. Strengthen the social aspects, in order to allow capitalism to work without many repercussions.

  • Capitalism is not a plantation economy. It is the economic/social system based on private property and ONLY private property. This inspires rationality and trade by making it necessary for people to exchange what they have for what they don't based on how much they value each thing being exchanged and to take care of those properties which are owned and exchanged and to respect others. Both reason and trade are virtues. Capitalism also is not morally degrading. From the perspective of the NAP, it is the most moral system because it does not rely on the initiation of force against your neighbors to get what you want and it actually discourages it. From the perspective of Objectivism it is the most moral system because it recognizes that every individual is an end in and of themselves and neither encourages nor mandates the sacrifice of one human to another. In short, selfishness is good.

  • Capitalism is the only economic system that is aligned with natural forces.

  • Not gone unregulated however

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Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-04-24T12:00:58.4687271-05:00
Went stupid for a moment, is it ensure or insure?
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-04-24T12:09:09.7623785-05:00
How so Rhodesia?
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-04-24T12:22:23.1959016-05:00
Come on people, explain why it leads to better futures! Curious.
SNP1 says2014-04-24T12:24:48.7127016-05:00
Capitalism is about self interest and screwing the poor. Socialism is about helping the people, even the poor. Is it really hard to see which will lead to a brighter future?
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-04-24T12:25:17.4011016-05:00
For me know, I just want to see what others think.
discomfiting says2014-04-24T12:49:00.9186247-05:00
I do not think that a pure socialist or pure capitalist economy is good. I believe there's a balance between socialism and capitalism that is met to produce a good quality of life, innovation, proper wages, non-discrimination, progressive taxation and and the progressiveness of socialism to assist the poor and disabled as well as a created a good economy for buying products, creating businesses and having a thriving workforce. We are more, in american, capitalist than socialist which is why I said socialist because we need more socialism.
Wylted says2014-04-24T13:36:55.4250557-05:00
Snp1 you're wrong. It might be about self interest, but not screwing the poor. I'd say forcing the poor to become dependent on the government screws them.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T13:56:15.8831271-05:00
Comrade, you obviously don't understand pure socialism and pure capitalism. Progressives were actually more capitalist then socialist. An even balance is needed to achieve a perfect society.
Wylted says2014-04-24T14:11:36.8759271-05:00
Pure socialism as defined by a prominent socialist. "We will provide everyone a job and an education, those who don't want them will be given a humane death"
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:12:34.4073019-05:00
I believe a nation can survive with a much higher capitalism to socialism ration. But, at the current state, we need some more socialism.
Wylted says2014-04-24T14:19:48.6659271-05:00
You're falling for their propaganda. The market crashes because of their socialist policies. They blame it on capitalism. Public outrage creates more socialist policies. Which lead to more devastating economic impacts. Repeat cycle adnauseum.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:20:54.2488250-05:00
Not a single democrat I know of has said "Its capitalism's fault". Socialist policies provide internal stimulation. The GOP places to much on foreign dependency.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:21:55.6972250-05:00
The key to growth in the US, is to stimulate the 50%. The 1% has already been pushed to a high output. Time to put some attention on the other 99% of the populous.
Wylted says2014-04-24T14:27:30.1456250-05:00
Socialist policies create more power for the 1%. More regulation equals more cost to conform to regulation. More costs small businesses can't afford. So small businesses die and big business gets a bigger market share. So how exactly do their policies help anybody other than the 1%.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:29:17.3327271-05:00
That's why I've been leaning to progressive politics (Favored right now mostly by small parties). Instead of having a pure left of pure right response to the economy, we can find some middle ground.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:31:56.1568250-05:00
Your statement really only applies to minimum wage in this scenario also, which I'm edgy about. Most socialist policies tax the rich further, weakening the 1%. I actually nominated you as a judge for my progressive wage debate (Where the wage is set by base income). I believe the key to solving the economy is off setting the deficit for the rich, by increasing it slightly from the MC and LC
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-04-24T14:31:59.6512250-05:00
Honestly, having to much IRL stress to care right now. But I put Progressive with Socialist because " Progressivism is a broad political philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advances in science, technology, economic development, and social organization can improve the human condition " It can lean towards Capitalism and Socialism. But please don't bash. I can't take that right now in my condition.
Wylted says2014-04-24T14:32:36.2327271-05:00
I'll be interested in seeing the results of your research.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:33:23.0180756-05:00
You also confuse the progressive philosophy with the much lesser known Progressive School of Economics. The Progressive philosophy is moderate, as are the economic policies.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:36:09.0187397-05:00
You guys may be interested in voting on this debate.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-24T14:36:22.2476245-05:00
Oops, sorry http://www.Debate.Org/debates/Keynesian-economics-is-valid/1/

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