Who is responsible for our mess of a government? Obama or Bush?

Posted by: getrekt20

  • Barack Obama

  • George W. Bush

54% 14 votes
46% 12 votes
  • I got three words for you: He deifes congress

    Posted by: Kylar
  • Who has 3x our national debt? OBAMA!!!!! Who takes a crap on our constitution every day? OBAMA!!!!!!!

    Posted by: BIGC
  • The problem in 2008 was caused by market fluctuations, but Obama has made it worse through heavy regulation.

  • As of now he made about 2.5 trillion more debt than Bush Junior.

  • Both are, but Obama has done more damage.

  • Obama made our national debt triple when he came into office. Our money is complete crap, it has almost no worth. Our economy is starting to be a socialism with Obama the idiot as president. I disagree with his decision to increase welfare and government assistance. Those that stay at home and have five kids with no job shouldn't be able to live off of government assistance. Its ignorant for them to be able to live like that. Majority of the time the people can't take care of their kids. Its amazing to know that about our country. To just know that our president wants us to be a socialism.

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PetersSmith says2015-05-12T13:50:19.6499439-05:00
Too many people. Bush and Obama are too recent to automatically blame them for America's problems. In fact, it really isn't always the president's fault either way.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T13:52:26.9972353-05:00
Both have contributed to our problems.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T13:53:37.2334115-05:00
For Bush, his biggest mistake was lowering taxes when they needed to be raised. War isn't generally a cheap endeavor.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T13:59:34.0529645-05:00
Although the problem extends way further back than the last two presidents, it was Bush who drove us into enormous debt with two wars and loads of unnecessary tax cuts for the very wealthy and corporations. Now Republicans want to pay for his mistakes by cutting social security and medicaid, while continuing to waste more and more money on our already over-funded military instead of investing in education, the environment and other worthwhile issues and still cutting taxes for the very wealthy.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:31:02.5349213-05:00
Considering the huge role that our military plays in the world, and also the fact that it regularly receives budget cuts, it is far from overfunded. More is spent on Social Security than the DOD's budget as of currently.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:31:32.1463620-05:00
I do disagree with the tax cuts, though.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:32:20.4891207-05:00
Certain things like Education may need more funding, but not welfare.
tajshar2k says2015-05-12T14:33:57.7588966-05:00
Iraq war, tax cuts for the rich, the list goes on. But to be fair, Obama wasn't much better.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:41:52.5436739-05:00
Though the Iraq War was founded upon faulty Intelligence findings, and in the aftermath Iraq became inflamed with insurgency, it was probably an overall good thing for Iraq in the long run. With the Ba'athists gone, all Iraq needs now is to get its rebels under control and the nation can prosper financially.
tajshar2k says2015-05-12T14:42:47.9074402-05:00
@Vox_Veritas That likely wouldn't happen. Too many extremists in the country right now.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:46:54.3508148-05:00
It seems to me that currently only the northern half of Iraq is doing horribly right now, due to ISIL mostly. If they can be subdued, and no group takes control of that much Iraqi land again, Iraq will be okay overall.
PetersSmith says2015-05-12T14:47:00.7001776-05:00
Briantheliberal: http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/50449f8369bedd020c000009-619-462/debt-increase-by-president.png
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:50:05.0977088-05:00
To be fair, the crazy (albeit temporary) deficit increase under Obama was because his spending increases were coupled with those of Bush. Still, he could've cut spending before increasing spending.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T14:51:46.2419042-05:00
To afford both big military and big welfare, taxes would have to be crazy high.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:06:28.6787395-05:00
PetersSmith, thanks for that link, perfect proof of exactly what I have been telling people.
CommunistDog says2015-05-12T15:40:13.1994729-05:00
Bush led to a useless war. The lives lost were in vain. In fact, the country America attacked was NOT the one which had the terrorists who started 9/11.
58539672 says2015-05-12T15:45:36.9133770-05:00
Based on percentage the president that increased the debt the most is FDR at close to 1000%. Woodrow Wilson increased it by nearly 700% (he was also the first president were we actually started monitoring the debt). Reagan did 190%, Bush 86%, Obama 70% (as of 2015). But if your counting total debt (which is a bit unfair to use because every president inherits debt from their predecessor) Obama surpasses every other president.
Texas14 says2015-05-12T17:05:08.8741771-05:00
Bush started it. Obama amplified it.
BIGC says2015-05-12T17:05:42.4769860-05:00
They are both at fault, but Obama is way worse then bush. AND BY THE WAY the Iraq war was not a waist, it was not a useless war, it was completely needed and necessary. Read "A Just War" by Mike Pratt, it explains it better then I can.
shalal12 says2015-05-13T08:30:18.3436956-05:00
BIGC, You'd better read other books from different opinions. Killing thousands of innicont people because of Saddam Hussein was not fair. It was U.S who helped Saddam Hussein to get power and again it was U.S who ruined Iraq to kill him!!! I also ask you a question, in Iran- iraq war, which country started the war, Iran or Iraq?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-13T10:30:08.7353518-05:00
@peterSmith, your picture is currently outdated for the percent of deficit change of obama. Obama has past George Bush Senior in percent change in dept, and is now approaching Bush Junior change in dept. Source http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/07/the-story-behind-obama-and-the-national-debt-in-7-charts/
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-13T10:57:14.3314480-05:00
@shalal12, While the US did help Saddam Hussein get into power, afterward he ended up being a threat. He attack Kuwait. Produce biological weapon in the past, was a state sponsor of terrorism, praised the 9/11 attacks, and was constantly shooting at our planes enforcing a no fly zone. It would have been stupid to not have gone to war with Iraq when they posed significant threat if left alone. While we did not find and WMD, we did find that they could make chemical and biological weapons within weeks if needed. In addition, Saddam Hussein was actively planning to make a nuclear weapon. If we were to have left Iraq alone, there would have been a likely possibility of them selling WMD weapons to terrorist to use on the US.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-13T11:11:21.0129439-05:00
@Communistdog. The Iraq war was necessary ^
CommunistDog says2015-05-13T11:12:26.0508388-05:00
The terrorists of 9/11 were not from Iraq.
58539672 says2015-05-13T15:40:56.4545112-05:00
@CommunistDog We never said Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. We invaded Afghanistan for that. Iraq was a completely different war for completely different reasons. It is still justifiable however.
CommunistDog says2015-05-13T15:43:24.5263096-05:00
Bush went into Iraq for oil and natural resources. ._.
tajshar2k says2015-05-13T15:46:16.3680201-05:00
@mathgeekjoe Saddam never sponsered terrorists. The terrorists hated him because he was a liberal muslim. Also, the WMD thing was complete BS. It very unlikely the CIA had no knowledge whether this was true or not.
tajshar2k says2015-05-13T15:48:12.9755077-05:00
The U.S spent too much money on this war, and in the end nothing was happened. Now, we have ISIS.
Midnight1131 says2015-05-13T15:49:47.5395331-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, in what way was the Iraq war necessary? The terrorists from 9-11 weren't there. There were no weapons of mass destruction either.
CyberConor says2015-05-13T18:18:19.8125433-05:00
They both suck. Now if Ron Paul was elected, no mess.
BIGC says2015-05-13T18:44:13.0137295-05:00
@comuunistdog you think that we went in there for oil.... That is funny :D
CommunistDog says2015-05-13T18:47:05.8951459-05:00
U hurted my feelings
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-13T19:11:41.2034653-05:00
Iraq was capable of making chemical and biological weapons, for pete's sake they made them before, try looking at the weapons the UNSCOM destroyed.
58539672 says2015-05-13T21:35:43.6856595-05:00
Saddam produced large quantities of Chemical weapons (which are in the WMD category. Its not just nukes) back in the 80s. Saddam's Mustard Gas is probably the most well known. But production for these weapons however stopped in the 90s. The Bush administration claimed that Saddam was actively making new chemical warheads which turned into one of the main reasons for going to war. In other words we found WMDs, just not the ones we were looking for.
58539672 says2015-05-13T21:38:10.2495385-05:00
@CommunistDog Natural Resources are one of the main causes of all wars. The US is no exception to this and they are as justifiable a reason as any.
58539672 says2015-05-13T21:47:57.5658681-05:00
@tajshar2K Saddam sponsored several terrorist groups (mostly in his neighboring countries like Turkey and Iran). He funded the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq in Iran, the PKK in Turkey, the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization and Hamas in Palestine, and several other secular terrorist groups. Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq was one of the largest sponsor of terrorism in the entire region. He did have bad relationships with hard-core Islamic Terrorist like Al-Queda however.
CommunistDog says2015-05-15T19:57:06.0680555-05:00
Because of George Bush, there are rising problems such as ISIS. Although Saddam was a ruthless ruler, he stopped any act or planning of terrorism. Because nobody is to rule with an iron fist to stop the extremists, we are stuck with these rising problems. I do not support Saddam's acts of totalitarian government, but it did suppress the aggression of terrorists towards America.
WNdebater says2015-05-17T09:09:35.5096468-05:00
People seem to forget the Obama is still fighting in Afganastan, that the conflict in Iraq has gotten worse (ISIS), and that Obama invaded Libya. Why do people act like Bush was the only one who went around fighting wars and destabilizing the region?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T09:10:37.2240380-05:00
@communistdog Hussein at first praised the 9/11 attacks, something Iran didn't even do. And you are telling me he would stop any terrorist attacks against the US, the nation whose airplanes he shoot at daily?
CommunistDog says2015-05-18T07:46:22.7401426-05:00
If a citizen of Iraq can't even defy his/her own leader, why would he or she be able to terrorize America?
Trig314 says2015-05-19T01:38:10.9381009-05:00
Bush made things worse, then Obama made them even more worse.

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