Why did we go to war with Afghanistan and Iraq?

Posted by: 1814Username

Let's get realistic. The last 13 years of war has not changed a single thing. Iraq and Afghanistan can barely field an army let alone pose a threat to America so why did we go to war there? After all, not one 9/11 terrorist was from there.

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We went to war for corporations. Smedley Butler was right when he said: I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped i

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We went to war for freedom. Please. I can barely contain my laughter as I write this.

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We went to war for GOD. Guns, Gold, Oil and Drugs. GOD. All wars are fought over this. Smedley B

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We went to war because that is what we do. We have been in 12 wars in the last 100 years. We hadn't been one in a while.

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We went to war so our rights could be taken away over here in the US.

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1814Username says2014-07-27T18:06:11.9116869-05:00
Here is the full quote from Smedley Butler: I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
ben671176 says2014-07-27T18:08:19.5832771-05:00
We go to war because we are one of the only countries that can support a large army like we can. I mean we are protecting many island countries from attack.
Formerland1 says2014-07-27T18:10:19.4678169-05:00
It seems that 1814 username is stuck in the year 1920
1814Username says2014-07-27T18:11:38.2842982-05:00
Many island countries? From Iraq and Afghanistan? Please. Who was threatening Iraq and Afghanistan? Last time I checked, neither country asked us for help. Killing thousands of innocent people is not "protecting" another country. Plus, there are many countries out there that need "protection" but they don't have oil, guns, or vast poppy fields. You are 18. Is that the crap they teach you in school? We are protecting people?
1814Username says2014-07-27T18:12:48.9218359-05:00
Oh please Formerland. Go study or something. Stop proving how dumb your generation is.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-27T18:13:16.7689921-05:00
They were two separate wars, with different reasoning for each.
1814Username says2014-07-27T18:13:27.1549849-05:00
Go twerk or do a selfie or something. Maybe go watch the Kardashians.
1814Username says2014-07-27T18:15:19.6861709-05:00
Different reasons? Hmm. What could they be? Probably to sell weapons, collect gold, steal oil, and replant all the poppy fields that the Taliban burnt to the ground.
1814Username says2014-07-27T18:16:16.6069219-05:00
It is funny how before the wars, heroine was not very prevalent, but after the wars, we have a heroin epidemic in the US. Amazing how that happens.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-27T19:06:39.6307259-05:00
God you suck so hard. Anyway. Afghanistan=we were attacked and the group responsible was hold up in Afghanistan and the Taliban were there supporters and allies. When given the choice between taking out Al Qaeda themselves or being blown to hell the same as them they choose the later. Iraq= because over the course of a decade since we defeated Iraq in the first gulf war and implemented the standard laws and regulations victorious nations issue to those they defeat saddam constantly and without remorse broke each and everyone of them. The fact is that if we had had better leadership 8 or 9 years ago we would have invaded Iraq THEN. Iraq brought this on themselves. They kept poking the hornets nest and we finally got sick if it and decided to sting them. The fact that we waited a full decade and attempted every diplomatic approach in the book is a testimony to our leniency.
LogicalLunatic says2014-07-27T19:10:29.0920159-05:00
1814Username says2014-07-27T19:38:29.0341030-05:00
You are brainwashed Ararmer. Totally brainwashed. We created Al-Qaeda and if you don't think we are pulling strings still, you are fooling yourself. A testament to our leniency? It is their freaking country!! Who are we to say we have a right to do anything in their country? Do you want a foreign power coming over to America and messing with our country? What the first Iraq war? The Weapons of Mass destruction that never existed? What does exist is oil, drugs, gold, and a chance to sell weapons. That is all war is about. Period. There are people in this world getting slaughtered right now, but we dont care because those countries do not have oil or anything valuable. Heck, Africa has been killing themselves off for centuries. We couldn't care less. So just stop it with this America doing good crap. Then there is the very real issue ----- it is their freaking country!!!! Who are we to do anything in any other country?? All these people who think foreigners are terrorists ----- please who are you kidding? If China was the lone superpower and they came into the United States, we would fight back and be labeled terrorists!!!! The bottom line is this. If you want to make America safer --- stop invading other countries and making thousands upon thousands of enemies. You dont see anyone blowing up Switzerland do you? It is because the Swiss mind their own dang business.
PetersSmith says2014-07-27T19:45:48.5101543-05:00
1814Username: We didn't create Al-Qaeda, it was around before we got involved in the Middle East. However, we did fund them during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan because we didn't want the Soviets to takeover that country. We ended up regretting it today because now these terrorists hate us.
1814Username says2014-07-27T19:51:13.2771997-05:00
Articles on US and Al-Qaeda: https://www.google.com/search?q=US+created+Al-Qaeda&oq=US+created+Al-Qaeda+&aqs=chrome..69i57.9449j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
1814Username says2014-07-27T19:57:02.4743149-05:00
A very good article on the US middle east timeline: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/clinton-admits-we-created-al-qaeda-but-lies-about-why-and-when/
ararmer1919 says2014-07-27T20:25:21.6508129-05:00
Lol. Your a good troll kid. But you suk at information. 1. We did not create Al Qaeda. We funded a group of afghani resistance fighters called the Mujahaden who were trying to free themselves from the grasp of the Soviet Union. After they won the war, the group naturally split up I to dozens of different factions each fighting for power in afghan. One of these groups would, years later, become the Taliban and one of these groups, years later, would become Al Qaeda. We had no way of knowing they end up doing what they did, and almost immediately after their founding we started fighting them. 2. We had every right to say what they could or could not do. I was not refereeing to the last Iraq war I was referring to the first one. Desert Shield/Storm? Iraq invaded its neighbor Kuwait in an act of aggression. Kuwait was a US Ally and requested our aid, and we answered the call. We drove out the Iraqi offensive and then to ensure Kuwait security we invaded iraq. Also note that this was a UN endeavor, not just the US. But before we could crush saddam completely the UN forced us to stop (mostly because saddam had his **** in the UKs a hole) but we were still the victors of the war. As the victors we were entitled to lay down any type of rule or regulation we felt like. Just like every other nation has done when defeating another nation. Just like when we defeated Germany and Japan. Same thing here. Saddam choose to ignore these laws and thus paid the natural price for his crimes. This is very simple stuff kid. 3. You do realize that the US gives out more humanitarian aid then any 3 nations combined? Whenever there's a natural disaster we are the first to send help. Our aid prevents the starvation of hundreds of thousands. Our peace keeping operations prevent civil wars and such (not always successful of course) we don't help Africa? Are you kidding me? We've been doing that for decades. Remember Somalia 1993? I can keep going with this, so drop the "evil America" thing. Are we perfect. **** no. Do we sometimes do things solely for our own interests? Of course we do. But we are far from the evil empire. 4. China? That's why were the best. So that doesn't have to happen. 5 Switzerland? That's because nobody gives a flying **** about Switzerland. What's there that's worth anyone's time?
Haroush says2014-07-28T04:48:38.0250063-05:00
I think I am so smart, but I am not.. I think I am so smart, but I am not... I believe in all the conspiracies... I believe in all the conspiracies, I am a lunatic.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T11:21:14.7069820-05:00
We created Al Qaeda. "The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed." "Transcript of Bin Laden's October interview". CNN. February 5, 2002. Archived from the original on December 6, 2006. Retrieved October 22, 2006.
1814Username says2014-07-28T11:57:07.1541964-05:00
So brainwashed. Lord. I can't believe you actually believe all that garbage you wrote. Amazing how who we care about is based upon oil.
1814Username says2014-07-28T11:57:59.0853290-05:00
We have no right to tell any country what to do.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T11:58:14.4474196-05:00
Of course our interest is based upon who has the resources. It is naive and childlike to assume otherwise.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T11:59:02.4537476-05:00
Regardless of what 'right' you claim we do or do not have, we have been telling other nations what to do for neigh on two centuries.
1814Username says2014-07-28T11:59:26.1194027-05:00
Wow Somalia. Please. What about all the other countries in Africa that are doing genocide. Wait that is right. We look the other way when there is oil involved.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:02:14.8678478-05:00
You will be hard pressed to find a central African nation not committing genocide at this point in history.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:05:07.4383664-05:00
Such hypocrisy. It is all such hypocrisy. So basically, you just confirmed that all our wars are simply about resources and not about "freedom". We should have a poster of Uncle Sam saying --- I want you to go get money!!! Smedley Butler was right.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:06:43.4206648-05:00
You're freaking out and raging like a child throwing a tantrum, and I have said nothing in disagreement. Calm your mamaries.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:08:26.0295712-05:00
"all our wars are simply about resources and not about "freedom"" Are you just now waking up to this? America only cares about "Freedom" the was Islamic radicals only care about "Islam". We preach a good game, and we will spend the time and money setting up autocratic regimes under the guise of establishing democracy, but we care about our interests fist and foremost.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:08:59.6293864-05:00
How did you get me freaking out from a sentence? Read into things don't you?
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:10:54.4358393-05:00
The three exclamation points are one factor. Lol
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:11:34.0263088-05:00
"Read into things don't you?" Yes, it's called critical thinking. It's how I realized America was an oligarchy about a decade ago.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:12:18.2562512-05:00
So an exclamation point means someone is freaking out? Please. Crazy.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:16:44.9433797-05:00
No, one exclamation point means someone is excited, three means they are freaking out. But you're not interested in a nuanced conversation about foreign policy. You're just looking for someone to entertain your inane rantings. Come find me when you grow up and have some perspective. Until then it would be like discussing hegemonic strategies with a tickle me Elmo doll with Tourette's.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:19:35.3896780-05:00
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T12:21:39.0558356-05:00
So instead of actually refuting my points and providing a reasonable counter-argument which disproves what I said you go with the classic "person who actually has no argument and is just blowing out their arse" route by claiming Im "brainwashed". Clap clap clap. Thank you for conceding. Every reasonable person who has seen this knows I won. Provide a real argument or shut the **** up kid.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:23:51.3463796-05:00
You didn't make any valid points. You are brainwashed.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:26:26.5225637-05:00
You are insulting and swearing and mocking. Those are your arguments. In about 20 years, your brainwashing should begin to wear off. Maybe when you end up in a war and are dying you will realize that fighting over oil and for the wealthy to keep their business interests ---- really is not worth it. I feel sorry for you.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:31:36.8185792-05:00
When you're intelligent enough to have a rational discussion on these issues, rather than the smattering of ignorance and ad-hominem rants, people might actually engage with you.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:32:26.8439308-05:00
Yawn. Try again.
1814Username says2014-07-28T12:34:08.2985260-05:00
You create rants in your own head. Kind of like when you think that any guy who looks at a woman is ogling her. I know your thoughts before you speak Emris. You make up things in your own mind. Your the type that thinks people actually care what you think. Like right now, I could not care less what you type or write.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:36:41.6891936-05:00
Are you still talking to me? I don't care to respond to children.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T12:37:52.4989553-05:00
Your also still going on about who we don't help continues in Africa. Well a simple google search into where the US sends it's foreign aid, which was over 50 billion dollars last fiscal year, shows that the US sends aid to 14 fing African nations. Billions of dollars. Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, South Sudan, Somalia, Tanzania, Uganda, Nigeria, Sudan, Congo, South Africa, Mozambique, Liberia and Libya. Did you know we send 457 million dollars a year to the West Bank? 440 million to Russia? 50 billion dollars. And this is just what the US GOVERNMENT gives. There's also the average 10-30 billion a year that comes from private foundations and donations. Plus 12 billion in grants. So you were saying we don't help other nations? Did you know that without the aid we send to Egypt the population would starve to death?
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T12:38:15.7122017-05:00
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:38:16.8498052-05:00
If you didn't care what i or others thought, you wouldn't be so quick to respond with strawman falsehoods about my positions. You care more than even you realize. Your anger is evidence of that. With that I bid you good day. Hopefully we will see less of you when middle-school starts back up.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T12:40:26.3803145-05:00
Lol. As I said. I won. And you admit it every time you refuse to provide a real argument. Oh and Iv already been to war and survived. Not once saw us sucking up oil so... Yea.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T12:43:26.3765759-05:00
Eh, we are definitely involved in Iraq for oil interests. You wouldn't have seen them working the pumps. They have blackwater type PMGs guarding the sites. Just google Halliburton's security firm and how they have been used in iraq to protect rig workers and export efforts.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:02:39.2543462-05:00
Emirs oh I'm Not denying that oil was A reason for the war. It just wasn't the only reason and perhaps not even the main reason. But it certainly was a reason. But more for European interests them the US's. If course we benifit when our European allies benefit and of course there's the whole "petro dollar" thing. But as for the idea like what Userfagname believes, that we invaded so we could suck up the oil ourselves and bring it to the US, that's complete horsecrap. The US gets less then 2.7% of its yearly oil intake from Iraq. Compared to the 2.9% we got from them prior to 2003. And out of the oil companies that were granted contracts to operate in Iraq after the war, America only got contracts for 2 oil fields and that was years later. The first round the did where they issued contracts the US didn't get a single one. And of course, Iraq is still the owner of the fields and oil. We just get to drill/refine it since they don't posses the capabilities themselves to do so.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:05:33.0079372-05:00
You won? Won what. The right to be brainwashed. Yep, you went to war. A war where thousands of innocent people were killed and where generations of babies will have birth defects. Bravo. You accomplished a lot. Wait --- nothing has changed. So really, all you did was cause death and destruction for oil, gold, drugs, and so weapons manufacturers could sell weapons. Amazing how when you went to war, all the poppy fields were replanted and now America has a heroine epidemic. So be careful, who and what you are fighting for.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:13:47.8208030-05:00
Lol ok kid. Well whatever held you sleep at night. Yup thousands did die. About 75% were killed by the jihadist but whatever. Birth defects??? Hahaha. Don't tell me your one of those "depleted uranium bad" rtards? Nothing's changed? Well we went in there to kill saddam right? He's dead isn't he ? Seems like that's a change right there. You think we invaded afghan so we could get heroin??? Hahaha. I like the "for lithium" theory better. Jesus Christ kid. Opium was always a major product for the afghan people. They've always grown it. The "mysterious boom" of growth, which wasn't so mysterious or a real boom, came after they were invaded by the most powerful nation on earth and needed a way to pay for weapons and what not to resist. Most of that crap goes to Pakistan and that Russian area that's infested with jihadist. Iv been to afghan. Have you? When I was there, we burned down the fields because jihadis liked to plant IEDs in them. Thousands of acres. Never once got in trouble for it. Never was murdered by the "men in black" for messing with their drug operation. Seriously kid, your attempts are so sad. And you call us brainwashed.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:16:35.8165480-05:00
I am 20 years older than you will extensive ties to the government so please stop with the kids and I know the numbers. Many innocent people died. Birth defects are rampant.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:17:24.4068100-05:00
The heroin boom is well documented.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:18:28.9858420-05:00
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-28T13:19:44.2096565-05:00
Hey everyone! Don't argue with 1814, he's older than you and has "government ties" so just stfu kay!? Gods, if you actually are in government, you're probably a Bush era appointee.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:21:08.8880849-05:00
Here is an article where the US Government itself speaks to the Taliban burning fields before 9/11: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:23:27.4376824-05:00
So unless the government is lying and the New York Times is lying. Then it is clear, we opened the poppy trade right back up. To quote the article "The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement's ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world's largest crop in less than a year, officials said today." So you tell me, how did we arrive with a heroine epidemic in this nation????
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:24:51.6291683-05:00
Omg! I am soooo sorry. I didn't realize your 20 years older then me and that you have "ties to the government". Please forgive me if I have wronged you in anyway. "Cough cough"
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:25:43.1472424-05:00
Emris. You keep coming back. It must be your paranoia and schizophrenia kicking in. Keep mocking me. That is fine. You are going to make up things in your head anyway. So why don't you admit what medications you are on?
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:27:01.9523800-05:00
It is okay. I accept your apology. I know fully well where you are at this stage in your life. Afraid and brainwashed. Dont worry life gets better.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:27:46.5493492-05:00
If prisonplanet is where you wanted a to go with that link and of prisonplanet is where your getting your information then no wonder your a f***ing rtard.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:28:31.0371268-05:00
You do recognize sarcasm when you see it, right?
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:28:36.6166949-05:00
Your arguments sound like the spiel a recruiter tells you in high school. Very little facts and all misinformation.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:29:31.7008600-05:00
Nah. I will stick with the New York Times.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:30:06.9229504-05:00
I quoted the New York Times. Why don't you read that article?
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:30:20.6186968-05:00
Well then why did your link take me to prisonplanet?
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:33:42.1173698-05:00
You can look at my links and none of them are from prison planet.
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:34:24.5345855-05:00
Here is an article where the US Government itself speaks to the Taliban burning fields before 9/11: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html
1814Username says2014-07-28T13:35:06.6865961-05:00
War is about profit and that is it. We haven't fought a legitimate war in decades.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:36:08.7371164-05:00
Umm, yeah we have.
ararmer1919 says2014-07-28T13:36:41.2450156-05:00
I type in your source and it takes me to PP
HardAssJack says2014-07-28T17:58:14.1433952-05:00
Some went to war to undress Iraqi men and humiliate and beat them
Haroush says2014-07-28T18:48:43.8667305-05:00
I would have too "harda$$", especially if they did something like this to innocent people who don't want to be Muslim.. Http://shoebat.Com/2014/03/17/actual-literal-islamic-human-slaughterhouses-christians-discovered/ It's just people like you forget stuff easy and don't even realize there is an ethnic cleansing going on in Iraq and Syria as we speak! People like you should go eat dirt and die somewhere in a ditch if you aren't for protecting the innocent and letting them get killed!
Haroush says2014-07-28T18:50:50.7966072-05:00
If I was in power of our country I'd be sending ground troops, F-16's and Navy ships to put an end to all of this!
debate_power says2014-11-21T16:07:03.4474596-06:00
We have to defend our interests with violence or our economy will collapse. It' the sick reality of the matter.

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