Will humans eventually need to transfer their consciousness into artificial vessels to withstand the cognitive demand?

Posted by: reece

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  • Yes, genes and computing can only get us so far. We will need something drastically different.

  • No, genetic modification and technological tools are all we need. It will be an evolution.

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triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:23:06.6871852Z
How is that going to work? Our consciousness is in a bunch of cells? How boring and not-human we would become...
reece says2015-10-04T01:26:07.8269134Z
@triangle.128k You're confusing software with hardware.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:27:08.4496792Z
Wait, so we're basically just dreaming and imagining everything?
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:28:09.6964570Z
Or everyone's existence is just a computer simulation with our consciousness in it?
reece says2015-10-04T01:28:44.1575197Z
@triangle.128k No...
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:29:08.6912648Z
I'm confused then.
reece says2015-10-04T01:34:07.2865336Z
@triangle.128k I said it in a metaphorical sense. Consciousness is software and "a bunch of cells" is the hardware.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:36:51.6356941Z
WTF, how would that even work? Software is physically non-existent, it's just a "book" being painted to reality.
reece says2015-10-04T01:40:13.3631734Z
@triangle.128k Exactly. It can be duplicated.
reece says2015-10-04T01:41:17.4336055Z
...Onto better hardware (metaphorically speaking).
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:42:55.1321671Z
Then we don't exist, we're committing suicide. Your hard drive is literally a bunch of magnetic balls, and your screen is literally a bunch of lights (or phosphors), and etc. We wouldn't be in existence, nothing happens. How can consciousness even exist virtually?
reece says2015-10-04T01:46:39.0181897Z
@triangle.128k I think you're lost.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T01:47:41.1045344Z
Can you clarify this then?
Vox_Veritas says2015-10-04T01:52:15.5790619Z
People tend to assume that software needs hardware. However, what if instead a maintained electric field is created in which the data exists? I call it "Field Computing".
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T02:01:50.1818916Z
@reece I'm a little confused by this concept, but are you implying that consciousness would be transferred to a simulation in ultra-high tech computers?
TBR says2015-10-04T02:02:33.8782115Z
Not because of cognitive demand, but to explore at any distance in space.
reece says2015-10-04T02:03:02.8667095Z
@triangle.128k Do you know throughout your whole life, all your living cells die off and get replaced with new ones... Does that mean you're dead? Answer: No. Your conciseness keeps fluent. Transferring it or duplicating it would be no different. All things are conscious , but vary in complexity. For something to be more complex than something else, would require it to have more potential in manipulating its environment and itself.
TBR says2015-10-04T02:03:25.6230798Z
!Triangle.128k - That is the idea. The Humans "consciousness" would honestly be the seed for this device.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T02:03:38.7473995Z
I'm still a little confused, but it seems like a great idea. If the Universe ends (and we can't manage to go to other universes assuming the multiverse theory is true), we can still thrive as humanity and somehow manage to create an indestructible computer.
reece says2015-10-04T02:04:26.9679268Z
@TBR You're looking at it from a macro level.
TBR says2015-10-04T02:04:32.3246523Z
As this device would far exceed our lifespan, our "Selfs" would be only a small part of what it becomes. It would be like the distance relative. God?
reece says2015-10-04T02:09:45.7600573Z
@Vox_Veritas By hardware i meant in a metaphorical sense. Transferring or duplicating human Consciousness would require something to latch onto, whatever that may be.
reece says2015-10-04T02:11:21.4990984Z
@TBR I meant micro. Sorry.
TBR says2015-10-04T02:38:53.6231384Z
@triangle.128k - It's not to transition universes, it might just allow intergalactic, that would be a great goal. Reece, I imagine a very tangible bit of tech. It will probably "look" nothing like us. It will change its configuration based on need, but our bodies are a complete mismatch with the sort of travel/future I see with this idea.
TBR says2015-10-04T02:41:28.7358862Z
I also see nothing other than hubris to imagine that the "device" would have much more than a glint of our existence at some point. It might just delete it at some point as a worthless affectation. "I am 'human'" is a silly idea to this device when its life has spanned 10^1000 of our existence.
reece says2015-10-04T02:49:06.5299109Z
@TBR I was meaning the capacity to comprehend complex information. We will probably become a Sentient Cloud at one point.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T02:51:13.1065543Z
@TBR Not if the device is programmed correctly. Since when would it start thinking on its own?
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T02:53:20.5430826Z
I imagine there would be multiple worlds created through this device, each varying in some way. Somebody really intelligent would create a world concept which the machine would then generate.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T02:54:36.7840711Z
Essentially, settling on one idea would be dangerous. We'd need multiple "worlds" which people might be able to immigrate and emigrate to. Basically just throw a bunch of ideas and see what works out and what doesn't.
reece says2015-10-04T02:54:56.8724651Z
@triangle.128k Why did you change your answer from no?
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T02:55:34.8639880Z
@reece I didn't get your concept at first.
reece says2015-10-04T02:56:24.8101014Z
I think people still don't.
TBR says2015-10-04T03:00:30.0996655Z
Reece - To envision some "cloud" is possible at some point. The first iterations of the device would be very "simple" or at least look like a device we would understand. Wires, processors etc.
TBR says2015-10-04T03:02:38.6305372Z
@triangle.128k - Why would I be concerned about programming it to never forget me? I am making a device to explore well past my own experience. I have no reason to limit it, and in the full course of time, it would be reprogramming its own "self". The initial container would replace itself as it... Evolves.
reece says2015-10-04T03:04:10.1107188Z
@TBR Depends how advanced we would be during that point.
reece says2015-10-04T03:10:24.4333193Z
@TBR Are you guys still talking about human consciousness? Consciousness evolves but i'm just calling it "human consciousness" for the sake of it.
triangle.128k says2015-10-04T03:10:49.2755725Z
@TBR If it's programmed correctly, it will never delete humans. Do files on your computer suddenly get deleted like that? Why would you not want it to value human consciousness?
TBR says2015-10-04T03:14:21.0340447Z
I think we have brushed this subject before. We have a different... Concept on what it means. I am looking at a very tangible (natural) device that is doable, and breaks us free from the limiting fact that we inhabit frail body's. You are talking (for lack of a better work) non-natural idea.
TBR says2015-10-04T03:19:33.1180462Z
Vox. There is no way we could truly imagine what the next several iterations would bring it to. But it is not our (human) responsibility to guess, or plan. The next device would, again, evolve into what best suits it's needs in an environment well past our understanding. Evolution of great steps could be accomplished in hours or weeks. Bit the prrsures to change only happen every couple 100k years
TBR says2015-10-04T03:22:23.3017189Z
Traingle. That's what I meant by hubris. There may be no value to that information in a million years. It might be like "right, humans - mostly harmless".
TBR says2015-10-04T03:26:20.9098882Z
It's like the first mammals on earth caring that I don't have much to say about them. A device that has lived through several transformation of its very self, lived through a couple million years of experiences, you really expect it to dwell on the 40 years of experience? It might be as simple as "I wad born of a human"
reece says2015-10-04T03:26:34.4819015Z
Civilization evolves together. It regulates itself over time. Okay, you guys talk about your own thing.
TBR says2015-10-04T03:28:45.7118728Z
Yea Reece. I think I am hijacking this. Sorry, but it is a subject I like.
58539672 says2015-10-04T03:59:21.5551768Z
@reece Would this be similar to "human consciousness" being collectively stored into one entity (like the Borg from Star trek, the Domain and Flood from Halo, Reapers from Mass effect, etc.) or would it be individual "human consciousness" in their own individual artificial vessels (like GLaDOS from Portal, Hate-Monger from the Marvel Universe, and even Jack Sully from Avatar, etc.).
TBR says2015-10-04T04:02:05.4358419Z
For what its worth, my idea is singular, reeces is more a collective
TBR says2015-10-04T04:02:25.3101145Z
Speak to either
reece says2015-10-04T12:46:08.8525567Z
@58539672 Either is fine, but for what it's worth i think we will eventually become a collective entity. As communication advances...
Anonymous says2015-10-04T16:31:38.8524802Z
Maybe not in today s day and age but one day, one day, I will want to be a robotic dictator...... Maybe just a robot and try to live forever. IROBOT
TBR says2015-10-04T16:50:20.7948556Z
Well, your not going to make it forever, but it could live for a very very long time.

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