WIll Obama ever meet in the middle with Republicans?

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TBR says2015-10-11T15:43:05.6370506Z
This is insanity. The crop of republicans have been perpetual babies - crying and shutting down the government.
Haroush says2015-10-11T15:49:37.9294301Z
No, it's Obama that wants to shut down the government as he is the President and has power over if the government runs or not. It's this unwillingness to work with Republicans by this administration in which is causing grid lock.
Haroush says2015-10-11T15:51:51.9516074Z
Causing fear in the masses because you don't want to work with republicans is what I call being a baby.
Texas14 says2015-10-11T16:15:13.2774943Z
He actually has. Obamacare was Bob Dole's plan from the 90's. I'm not saying I like it but it is a right wing idea.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:17:56.5002480Z
@TBR -- Very simply put: "You are COMPLETELY wrong." we can discuss or debate it if you want to, but without a long winded response here; it was the Obama Administration and Democratic party that shut down the government. Same goes for your "Perpetual babies" comment.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:20:55.5403003Z
@Haroush -- Using President Obama's past 7 years in office as a barometer, with the addition of very basic psychiatric evaluation of President Obama; there is not even the slightest of hints that would convince a person using honest logic and reasoning, that he will ever meet in the middle.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:25:07.8471280Z
@Texas14 -- Actually you are incorrect. As far back as I have had the chance to study the health care topic, I have found that in 1945, President Harry S. Truman, a Democrat, first proposed a "Universal Health Care System" to the U.S. congress.
Texas14 says2015-10-11T16:27:34.1685450Z
@makesensepeopledont, that's true. But Obamacare isn't universal healthcare. We as fiscal conservatives are lucky Obama didn't do a public option or even worse single payer, but he met us in the middle. Obamacare is an individual mandate, not universal healthcare.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:33:01.8754095Z
@Texas14 -- Furthermore, Obama did NOT compromise with Republicans on the ACA. We can prove this by looking at what was actually passed...Basically a piece of paper with 2 check boxes, one for yes vote, the other for no vote. The big issue with the ACA bill being passed into law was that nobody knew what was in the bill or how any of the system would work. Democrats AND Obama tirelessly pushed the narrative of "You can't see what's actually in the bill. You have to pass it to see what's in it." And actually, the bill was passed into law in the Senate 100% on party lines; 60 Dems voted Yes and 0 voted no; 39 Republicans voted No and 0 voted Yes, with 1 Republican voting "Present". Where was the compromise there? Oh, I think you're talking about the compromises made since the bill became law....Oh wait....Obama bypassed congress to make 51 changes to the Affordable Care Act using executive action so the Republicans had absolutely no say in the entire thing. Soooooo what compromises are you talking about with the ACA exactly?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:36:32.5805574Z
@Texas14 -- Actually, the ACA IS a single payer system. It's not a fully implemented single payer system from the start, however, it 100% IS a single payer system. If you want to discuss, feel free to send me a message (I'm pretty sure my messages are open, let me know if it isn't). I don't want to flood this poll with off topic discussion.
Texas14 says2015-10-11T16:39:43.0920728Z
I agree that the way it was passed was dirty politics, but HOW is it single payer?

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