Clinton voted for the war in Iraq and said she wants to wipe them out. She literally, as secretary of state, gave weapons to ISIS. She also recieves money from Afghanistan. She's corrupt as she comes. She has been responsible for muslim deaths. Oh, but Trump says mean things. Yeah. Totally valid.
Craftymiscreant: you have a magnanimous way of oversimplifying Trump's total dysfunction and have fallen into the lackadaisical group that throws everything possible at Hillary hoping some lie will stick.
Karlmarx59: Oversimplifying? Wikileaks just proved that she is FUNDING ISIS. I'm sorry, but you think backing this criminal is BETTER than voting for Trump? She is literally supporting people that wants to kill us all. You're OK with having her as president? I mean, this isn't dismissing the fact that the FBI director PROVED she can't handle classified documents. Trump might be a jerk, but he is in no way, shape or form a criminal like Hiliary is. Hillary takes the cake on this one. I mean, she's responsible for the entire hellhole you see in Syria. People took their chances OUT AT SEA AND DROWNED to not be part of the war zone she herself created. I can't....Just....Really, dude?
Crafty: Wikileaks: Is not a credible source, especially in the light of their latest antics. And if this were true do you not think DOJ or CIA or some intelligence agency would know before some hack like wikileaks? And tell me, what would be her motive? To bring terror to HER country to harm her family? Think about the bull you read before you believe it. You believe this but you do not believe the factual data that TRUMP is an actual crook being sued hundreds of times for ripping people off causing them to lose their own businesses.? What is wrong with you? And the proximal cause of the middle east fracture was Bush and his illegal war. So really ..DUDE?
Karlmarx59 You seem to be one of those people who only takes certain sources YOU LIKE as credible rather than the ones which do have credible information. As far as asking Crafty, "What is wrong with you?" Oh please. You believe in a woman that has betrayed her country more than once, has gone under FBI investigation and getting away with it since she has the government under wraps, and several thousands of emails withholding vital information that could possibly deteriorate her potential as the commander in chief. She made $16.5m with scammers Laureate International Universities, charged a children's charity $200,000 for a speech, and has made money off the backs of others and hiding emails since she was First Lady. You talk about Trump being greedy, but you don't realize how Hillary is backed by big banks, and HATES the First Amendment, wants Common Core (which has failed miserably,) and backed a rapist as a lawyer YEARS ago. Of course your username is an indicator of how much of a dumb*ss you are, so my question to you is, what is wrong WITH YOU?
Skylomachina: Some believe that many of those who support Donald Trump do so because of ignorance — basically they are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.
The seemingly obvious solution would be to try to reach those people through political ads, expert opinions, and logical arguments that educate with facts. Except none of those things seem to be swaying any Trump supporters from his side, despite great efforts to deliver this information to them directly.
The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed. This creates a double burden.
Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” Essentially, they’re not smart enough to realize they’re dumb.
And if one is under the illusion that they have sufficient or even superior knowledge, then they have no reason to defer to anyone else’s judgment. This helps explain why even nonpartisan experts — like military generals and Independent former Mayor of New York/billionaire CEO Michael Bloomberg — as well as some respected Republican politicians, don’t seem to be able to say anything that can change the minds of loyal Trump followers. This would be applicable to you skylomachina, and your user name indicates what a loser you are, so I don't have to question what is wrong with you, you did it for me, useless idiot.
Heterodox: When I address you, I will be using ad hominems because you vex me and do not contribute anything viable. If I have used any ad hominems to someone, nosy, it is a rebuttal. So why don't you mind your own business and try to muster up a coherent thought, that should keep you busy a week or two.
KarlMarx: Wikileaks backs their information with valid documentation and private emails that they send. That's the best evidence, paramount evidence one can possibly have hahaha. Also, it's all for money. I mean, the biggest corrupt banks put money into her pocket. Her foundation has accepted money from crime lords and corrupt governments all over the globe, and it's all on record (wikileaks aside). She's corrupt as hell.
Crafty: Wikileaks just put out information saying Manafort got paid 12 million for baking the corrupt Ukraine government. Now isn't that interesting? He is receiving dirty money from a pipeline that goes directly to Putin, the US advisory. What say you now?
Karlmarx59 So basically you just went on some bullshit conquest talking about how uninformed Trump voters are, not really addressing the arguments I made. You're just spouting out big words to sound smart, which frankly is not a good way to win a debate. This is DEBATE.Org, not CRYBABY.Org. And you just repeated the same thing I said to you to me. What the hell, dude? Half of what you said doesn't even make sense, what does my username have anything to do with this conversation? Do you even know what it means? Your username is a clear signal that you aren't the brightest bulb in the classroom due to the history of Marxism, so when you point out my username, it's an indicator you are either a troll or butthurt. Pick one. If you can't put on the big boy pants and have a real discussion by having well formulated arguments instead of strawman ones.
So do you have any real rebuttal besides insulting people? Something people like you hate about Trump?
Skylomachina: You haven't made any kind of sound argument about anything because you haven't a clue how to debate or what to debate about in regards to Donald Jackass Trump. So stop your whining to me about your failed attempt to sound like you have two working brain cells and do this site a favor and shut up. And you request to a deity is as pathetic as your other comments, I don't give a f*ck if you or any of these losers takes me seriously because this site is a ruse. It's fodder for the mindless hoards. Useless idiots. Spinal cord reactors. Dichotomy slaves. Cognitive dissonance. Most of all I could give two shits what skylomashitna means.
KarlMarx: I would say Both politicians are corrupt, but Trump would still be a better candidate than Hilliary, given her EXTREMELY LONG TRACK RECORD OF CORRUPTION AND DEATH, greater than Trump's. Ultimately, I'd rather vote for Gary Johnson anyway.