Would Nazi Germany have won WW2 if they never attacked the Soviet Union?

Posted by: Rezamee

  • Yes, they would heavily focused more troops on the western front and force Great Britain into submission.

  • No, the United States would of eventually overwhelmed Nazi Occupied Europe. (Perhaps a nuke?)

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  • Invadimg Russia is.like stepping on a landmine. You either die a swift violent death (like Nazi Germany ) or you loose a limb and die slowly (like Napoleon )

  • Also, If Hitler had continued funding his rocket, jet, and biological warfare studies, he probably would have taken over a lot of the war.

  • American industrial capacity plus internal resistance on their end, not to mention a large portion of the population ceasing to be, would end in their getting ripped apart. Area 11 would still get nuked, though.

  • I disagree with the description however. The Soviet Union was in the midst of massive mobilization when hitler invaded in 1941. By 1941 the Soviet Army would have been fully mobilized and stronger than even the Wehrmacht. There was no way the MR Pact would last given the polar nature of the Soviet and German governments and ambitions. If Hitler did not declare war on the Soviet Union, Stalin would declare war on Germany. The US's involvement is still largely irrelevant militarily, although since the war might have lasted longer in this scenario, the bomb could have been detonated in Europe. Operation Sealion, however, was destined to fail given the Germans lack of Naval Superiority in the Channel thus rendering it impossible to transport divisions and supplies.

  • Let's get away from all the economics and what-not and focus strictly on the one thing that plagued Hitler's war through its entirety; Hitler. He was such a narcissist that he did not bother listening to the experience of ANY of his commanders at ANY point. The German commander on D-Day actually correctly guessed the Allies invasion plans and locations, but Hitler did the exact opposite of what was suggested which paved the way for ally victory. This continued throughout the war so it would not have mattered in the slightest, he would have tanked it anyway.

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UtherPenguin says2015-09-13T03:02:06.7139025Z
America didn't get involved until long after it was already established that Germany was screwed.
briantheliberal says2015-09-13T03:07:42.5060550Z
If the U.S. dropped atomic bombs on German forces and/or assassinated Hitler they would have definitely quit.
Atheist-Independent says2015-09-13T03:51:37.0821432Z
WTF is with the moderation of my comments? Regardless, the US joined before the Battle of Kursk, which was essentially the sole determining event in Hitler's loss in the East. The necessity of the US's involvement in the war is a different debate entirely, but it cannot be said that the US joined after all the real fighting had been done.
Atheist-Independent says2015-09-13T03:51:48.5511063Z
WTF is with the moderation of my comments? Regardless, the US joined before the Battle of Kursk, which was essentially the sole determining event in Hitler's loss in the East. The necessity of the US's involvement in the war is a different debate entirely, but it cannot be said that the US joined after all the real fighting had been done.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-13T03:57:25.8847791Z
No invades Russia, not even Russians. The reasons the Romanovs lost the Russian Civil War wad because they were fighting in Russia.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-13T03:58:01.8274095Z
Correction *no one invades
58539672 says2015-09-13T04:04:46.5096036Z
@UtherPenguin Unless you are the Mongols.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-13T04:05:36.0867214Z
@58 *Mongoltage*
58539672 says2015-09-13T04:27:36.8067875Z
Back to the topic at hand, even if the Soviet Union stayed out of the war (which was unlikely), Germany still had to deal with Britain (which has survived the German Blitzkrieg thus far) and eventually the US (which arguably has the highest military potential of all the participants of the war). The war definitely would have lasted longer, but Germany really had the odds stacked against them.
biggest_pro_going says2015-09-13T11:29:03.3257217Z
Germany had to only beat the UK, Germany would have had over 10million troops to do so and would invade it with in a few years and also won in Africa. Then it would have to oil fields of the middle east and Africa. America would have no ware to attack from and not want to attack. Then ether Germany would invade the US or the US would make peace with Germany.
Atheist-Independent says2015-09-13T19:01:39.9380982Z
Bro, you don't just "invade" the US or UK without a Navy.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-13T19:14:23.6839412Z
@biggest_pro_going -- LOL !!! Are you serious? Do you REALLY believe that 10 million German soldiers could spread themselves all over the African Continent, all over Europe and all over the Middle East to cover the oil fields and refineries, then have enough to cover all of the supply rails, roads and bridges from attack; then, still have enough men to cover every inch of shoreline from Sweden ALLLLLLL the way down to the tip of South Africa, then up the entire Eastern Coastline of the African Continent, around the Southern borders of the Middle East nations, down and around Italy, over to India, and even over to the Asian coastlines? LOL, I'll drop some dollar bills on that game real quick son...Good luck.
58539672 says2015-09-13T20:04:22.0964216Z
The greatest advantage that the US and UK share is the ocean. Nazi Germany never had the advantage when it came to the Navy. So saying that Hitler could just conquer both because the USSR isn't involved is ludicrous.
Renegader says2015-09-13T22:23:30.0888672Z
Of course they would have won, Britain was at the point of collapse already and were bombed everyday
58539672 says2015-09-14T00:33:26.9339639Z
@Renegader And the British navy still controlled the English Channel while the German navy was lackluster at best. You can't conquer the British Isles without a superior navy. Bomb the island all you want, but you won't be able to invade and conquer it.
britkit_francis says2015-09-14T20:15:35.0267281Z
Also, If Hitler had continued funding his rocket, jet, and biological warfare studies, he probably would have taken over a lot of the war.
Kreakin says2015-09-14T20:58:00.8342207Z
People don't realize that the monarchy where working with the German aristocracy. There were many agreements in place as to what would and would not be destroyed I believe. WW2 was a combination of eugenics, ethnic cleansing, financial systems acquisition and demolition clearing the way to rebuild.
Thescarecrow066 says2015-09-15T00:23:10.5162521Z
Really depends on how it went from there.
britkit_francis says2015-09-17T17:16:05.8130134Z
Geez, earlier comments were like a debate.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-29T17:12:07.8188370Z
@Renegader -- Britain actually employed a new technology called radar which helped push back the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. The massive success of the British Royal AF caught Hitler by surprise as he figured his 3,000 (closer estimates are around 2,550) aircraft would annihilate the British pilots of an estimated 800 (Hitler's estimate) planes. Hitler pulled back his Luftwaffe after the stunning defeat where he lost the majority of his planes and pilots; from this point forward, the Luftwaffe no longer held air superiority. This came at the end of 12 weeks of air fighting which saw 1,733 German aircraft lost as opposed to the 915 British planes lost; postponing the invasion of Britain indefinitely. Although Germany kept running bombing raids with no hard military objective or target in mind, as well as rocket launches; German positions, armor and infantry were from this point forward, wide open for counter-attack from the air. This was 3.5 years before the U.S. even entered the war and a year before Hitler attacked Russia; welcome to the stalemate which Hitler would have lost eventually due to resistance forces across the European continent decimating his infrastructure from within. Russia was dead in the water and out of resources due to Hitler's delirious attempts at micromanaging the war effort, most notably the weapons development sector.

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