Would you burn the American Flag?

Posted by: tajshar2k

This isn't talking about legality, but whether you would partake in it.

  • Yes

  • No

42% 14 votes
58% 19 votes
  • As a form of protest.

  • That fact that you can burn the American Flag is one reason why America is better than a lot of other countries. If I had a particular reason to, of course I would.

  • I consider it everyday. We need to defend free speech by being offensive sometimes. I say draw muhhamed, burn flags, defecate on the bible. People need to respect free speech even when it angers them, and they clearly need to have Thor hypocracey thrown in their face as well as be desensitized to dissenting views.

    Posted by: Wylted
  • Its America, why not.

  • I don't particularly respect or lack respect for the American flag. If I was cold, and an American flag was nearby, I'd have no qualms with setting it alight for warmth. I doubt it would be though, since I live in New Zealand.

  • I like to show disrespect to other nations values and traditions. That is why me and my friends organize bonfires in which we burn flags of countries around the world. Burning the American flag shows disrespect to their culture of Shooting and Fat.

  • If someone was like, "Burn this flag or your family dies." I would burn the flag.

  • It's just a flag that represents our nation. And if our nation is doing something wrong then if i want to i would burn the american flag.

  • as a form of protest yes

  • It is legal, so why not?

  • If i thought it was fun; yeah, i would do it. I would burn any flag or book. Except if they're rare historical items or the property of someone who doesn't want me to.

    Posted by: reece
  • Aside from the fact that I don't find such an act appealing, what would I gain by doing such a thing. Unless your purpose is to deliberately piss people off (in which case your a troll), otherwise it won't effect anything.

  • It's the flag that all the military that has fought for my freedom serve in under and I value my freedom and would never disrespect the ones that fought and the one that gave their life's for my freedom! Anyone that would burn the American Flag should find another country to live in! When you have no respect for the Flag that represents the country you live in pack you belongings and leave!

  • I myself wouldn't, but isn't the proper way to dispose of a ruined/tattered American flag to burn it anyways?

  • To do so should be considered treason.

  • No, That flag means something to me and many others and to burn it is appalling, if I were to protest and defend free speech I would do so by attending and organizing a rally, not making inflammatory symbolic gestures that are bound to piss off those who sacrificed for the country.

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PericIes says2015-08-22T16:57:50.6433433Z
Depends on the situation. At present, I have no reason to. I probably would if they made a law banning the burning of the flag, though.
TBR says2015-08-22T16:58:41.4216688Z
I don't know. I doubt I would ever do this, but I don't think I would ever say never on this one. I don't see the actual impact of burning the flag as very useful. Not like you are communicating anything to your "adversary's" that gets you anywhere.
tajshar2k says2015-08-22T17:00:09.3876594Z
Exactly, there are so many other forms of protesting, and nobody realizes they are pretty much insulting all the troops who died for our country. Like Bballcrook21 said, if your gonna burn it, wrap yourself around it first.
reece says2015-08-22T17:03:02.5985430Z
It's like how conservatives burn the cross.
reece says2015-08-22T17:03:57.4640947Z
I mean the KKK and other hate groups like it.
Renegader says2015-08-23T05:44:55.8770175Z
Exactly what wylted said
provideoman123 says2015-08-23T06:18:00.7433773Z
I would like to say that I regularly burn the flags of various sovereign nations around the world. I do this to disrespect the values and traditions of a nation.
greatkitteh says2015-08-23T10:51:03.2943566Z
I would Bur an extention of it, The guam flag.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-24T15:05:15.6966524Z
Maybe if it was the last shed of burnable fuel i needed to start a fire and survive on.
biggest_pro_going says2015-08-25T19:16:13.5891706Z
To burn it is treason! Isn't America all about freedom, the burn all flags you want.
biggest_pro_going says2015-08-25T19:16:29.7511850Z
The freedom to*
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-25T20:18:40.5556442Z
Sure. But an American wouldn't want to. Its a logical contradiction.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T21:14:50.0869962Z
Bluepaintcan123, If murder was legal, would you say why not, and murder somebody?
Bluepaintcan123 says2015-09-10T21:22:26.4142966Z
Tajshar2k Excuse me? A flag is just fabric, it isn't a person. I have moral values. It is a first amendment right to burn the flag (we had a supreme court case on it a long time ago) so don't act like I'd commit a mass shooting or something. This country is corrupt and cruel to others so it should be able to be criticized and hated just like anything/anyone else.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T21:45:08.3226233Z
We all have morals. I don't its respectful and wrong to burn an American flag, because you are insulting those who died defending our country, and you a insulting a country that gave you freedom liberty etc.. You're reason as to why you would do it, is making me ask this question, because it's too vague. Please don't think I'm insulting you, I'm just curious to your reasoning.
Bluepaintcan123 says2015-09-10T22:00:16.3504986Z
" a country that gave you freedom liberty etc.. " Actually no. In fact I was a toddler when the Patriot Act was passed. Not only this but there is police brutality occurring, radical religious people continually overstepping the boundaries of the first amendment and many laws in general passed to limit our freedom. Also, the troops are not represented by the flag, I'm only after our corrupt country. Not only that, but the troops aren't even "fighting for our freedom" anymore. Almost every recent war we've had wasn't because our rights or country was in danger, but because the US just likes to be an a-hole like that. I might be young, but I am well aware of this country's history, and I have to say I'm disappointed. (Also flag burning is protected by the first amendment.)
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T23:45:18.1788798Z
I know flag burning is in the 1st amendment.You basically have the freedom, because that's what our country is built upon. That being said, just because the U.S has been in a bunch of useless wars doesn't mean the vet's should be disrespected. Regardless of if the war was justified, they did their job and gave their lives to protect us. The flag represents them, not Bush and his administration.
Bluepaintcan123 says2015-09-11T01:32:41.9709010Z
Again, it doesn't represent them, it represents the United States. It isn't just Bush and his administration either, most politicians feel the need to take away freedom too. Also if a person wanted to they would be justified in criticizing the troops. They are not fighting for freedom anymore, they're just fighting for our right to invade foreign land and be the world's most annoying country (in the countries we've invaded they probably don't have half the rights we do, what about their freedom?) There is nothing wrong with flag burning and I think it should be encouraged. This is one of the few ways to get the attention of the public and promote a real change in our country.
Heterodox says2015-09-11T08:29:44.9180237Z
2 things. @tajshar2k Yes, if murder was legal I got a ton of people I want to kill and who knows how many more I will discover while trying to get to those people. @Bluepaintcan123 We haven't had any recent wars. Last one was WWII. We've had a bunch of Military Engagements, but no wars. Congress has to declare war.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-11T13:53:52.3384380Z
Ok ... So dont use people in the example then. Say everyone has a right to destroy something they own. It doesnt mean the world doesnt cringe when they see some millionaire wreck the crap out of his ferrari doing something stupid. People in their minds are thinking "That thing was so expensive", they knew what it was worth. It has different levels of worth to them, for the millionaire ... Its a car, no big deal ... To others its something they wish they could have and probably end up conceding to the fact that they will never own one in their lifetimes. Its not theirs though. Fast forward to a national symbol ... It holds a different kind of worth (but of a much higher value to some) and the thing it is a symbol for is owned by everyone of that nation. Of course theyre going to be disgusted when you destroy it. Some people work really hard for that thing ... And others take it for granted and burn/destroy it. The funny thing is with the car ... The millionaire earned it one way or another ... With the freedoms that flag symbolizes ... The people burning the thing havent done anything to earn what theyre disgracing. I dont agree with them doing it ... But im not suprised in the least that someone who hasnt put forth anything to earn those freedoms doesnt care about them. Taking life for granted because they live in a system where they dont have to earn anything ... Everythings given to them by birthright ... The fact that they were born on american soil entitles them to something ... Pah.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-11T14:04:14.4392258Z
Theres people lined up Disneyland style to come here you know. And youre the guy whos been here the whole time, grown bored of it, and thinks the grass is greener on the other side. They should institute a SSN or citizen swap thing where you can give up your card to one of these hopefuls. I bet he doesnt give it back to you after you realize youve been shortchanged either.
Bluepaintcan123 says2015-09-11T21:30:26.4980120Z
@Heterodox have you not been paying attention? The Vietnam war, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, and we are probably going to war with Isis. There have been many wars in between WW2 and now. @FreedomBeforeEquality so what if a person wants to destroy something they own? It's theirs and they have the right to do anything they want with it. Not only that, but people have good reasons for burning the flag, unlike your millionaire example. This country is corrupt and has ruined the lives of millions. We have an overwhelming amount of racism and bigotry that sneaks into our laws, we are one of the most violent countries, we have the largest incarceration rates in the world, we have some of the most fun violence, the most murders, very low in education and if that isn't a good reason to burn a flag then I don't know what is. Don't even try to pull a guilt trip either, because it won't work. I'm not sure if you understand what it is like to be a minority in America with immigrant parents, but believe me we know what hard work is. I don't know as much because I'm not independent yet, but I can see it all the time. We watch rich politicians promise for change every year, and that they care about the common man, but nothing ever gets done. My mother has to work all week and through the summer so we can eat and live in this crappy world. She is trying hard to get me into a good college so I can work hard and not have to live like we do now. I don't need a lecture about working for your freedom, because everyone around me already tells me what its like. Living in New York will open your mind to those things. As a final note, when I said I'd burn the flag it wasn't just to be an a-hole or to spit on the troops, it was to send a message. I don't want to hear any more lies about how great this country is and how everyone should look up to us. I want the United States to actually have a reason to be called a great country, which is why we need to protest. We need to hate our country so we aren't blinded by nationalism. If you think that is disgusting, then maybe you should retake American history.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T16:01:04.4035837Z
See you know its not just a flag. You see it as them burning a symbol, too. They dont own the symbolism there. Thats where this is coming from. Youre defending them with the fact thats its 'just a flag' when its convenient, and then call it something more than that after the fact. Thats what makes this a contradiction. If its just a flag ... Burn it then, and you have no good reason to burn it. Have a reason to burn it? Protest? Then its not just a flag anymore, its not a thing owned solely by you anymore, its going to piss people off who actually put work into that thing, and youre deserving of any hatred that comes upon you for doing it at that point. Youre making the choice of what it is and what its seen as. If youre burning it to protest everything the flag represents, youre going to get feedback representative of that. This 'flag is just a piece of cloth' defense has zero ground to stand on.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T16:01:26.4469489Z
See you know its not just a flag. You see it as them burning a symbol, too. They dont own the symbolism there. Thats where this is coming from. Youre defending them with the fact thats its 'just a flag' when its convenient, and then call it something more than that after the fact. Thats what makes this a contradiction. If its just a flag ... Burn it then, and you have no good reason to burn it. Have a reason to burn it? Protest? Then its not just a flag anymore, its not a thing owned solely by you anymore, its going to piss people off who actually put work into that thing, and youre deserving of any hatred that comes upon you for doing it at that point. Youre making the choice of what it is and what its seen as. If youre burning it to protest everything the flag represents, youre going to get feedback representative of that. This 'flag is just a piece of cloth' defense has zero ground to stand on.
Bluepaintcan123 says2015-09-14T20:36:06.8065975Z
So what if it is or isn't a flag? At this point I don't really care. It's just a flag to me, but to others it means the world to them. I feel the same way about God too: means nothing to me, but means everything to others. The only reason it seems like such a big deal is because YOU are putting value into that. If I was burning a blank piece of paper you wouldn't think much of that, now would you? It isn't a contradiction, because I'm saying that burning the flag means more to me than the flag alone because it was MADE to cause outrage. It was made to upset people like you so that a conversation could get started. I just want to manipulate things so I can finally get topics out for people to listen to and debate. As far as I'm concerned, that is the only use the flag has for me.

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