Would you choose to fight for your country/cause and possibly die for it if a communist revolution or invasion started?

Posted by: PetersSmith

"Revolution" as in something similar to what happened in the Russian Civil War of 1918.

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I would fight for my country and its values against either communist invaders or a communist revolution, regardless of odds.

Better dead than red.
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I would not fight for my country and its values against a communist revolution nor a communist invasion.

Better red than dead.
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I would fight for my country and its values against communist invaders, regardless of odds, but not if it was a communist revolution.

Don't resist change. You will not stop what the revolution is doing to stop the bourgeoisie. It's time to fight the bondage of classes and bring the proletariat masses the freedom and equality they deserve. Our whole future is bright and nothing wil... l stop the greatest revolution since the birth of Marx. Invaders, however, the people do not want. Change comes when it's ready. Communism shall not be forced upon us, especially if they're ideals seem to not coincide with real communist ideology   more
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I would fight for my country and its values either against communist invaders or a communist revolution, but only if the odds are in our favor in both scenarios.

Whether it be the Soviets or the Chinese, the armada and mass forces will bring death and misery to your country and its people. There is no point in fighting against these invaders if you can't win; no point in throwing your life away. It's just no... t worth it to sacrifice your life for just a cause. Who knows, maybe communism isn't so bad after all   more
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I would fight for my country and its values against communist invaders, and only if the odds seem to be in our favor, but not against a communist revolution.

In our favor, but not against a communist revolution. If the invaders can clearly be defeated, then there is no harm then adding extra assistance to the fight. Brutalizing the enemy forces will teach them a lesson, and maybe we could even take the ... fight to them in the future. A communist revolution, if the people want it, is something that is the inevitable. No sense in killing brothers in arms   more
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I would fight for my country and its values against a communist revolution, and only if the odds seem to be in our favor, but not a communist invasion.

If the people think they can just fight against the very values that made this country great, then they are dead wrong. However, there's a difference between "stopping" them and sending people to the slaughter. If it may seem that we can't stop them... , then we shouldn't bother. Let change take its hold. Same goes for a communist invasion   more
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I would fight for my country and its values against a communist revolution, regardless of odds, but not a communist invasion.

"Traitors" would probably best summarize this. You have these people who are openly rebelling against the ideas that made your country great, all for what? A Dictatorship of the Proletariat? Pathetic. However, we also have the issue of the invaders....  There's a difference between fighting a war and reckless hate. If they take over, and they might, then we can eventually rise up, but not now. Not while they're on edge. A false sense of security is the best course of action   more
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UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:22:43.2402116-05:00
That is an oddly specific question.
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:24:20.0400731-05:00
UtherPenguin: Not really, it could have been a lot more specific.
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:24:50.0094149-05:00
Wait...Aren't you a socialist? So why'd you pick that option?
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:25:39.4768007-05:00
@PetersSmith I'm a Socialist, but not a communist. I would support a Socialist revolution, but not a Communist one
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:26:49.2337233-05:00
UtherPenguin: A communist revolution as in the one that happened in Russia, so wasn't that a Marxist revolution?
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:28:48.0100121-05:00
@PetersSmith Yes, like the one in Russia. (No country to date has tactually managed to practise real Marxism)
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:29:25.7823388-05:00
UtherPenguin: "Many revolutionary socialists argue that the Russian Revolution of October 1917 led by Lenin and Leon Trotsky follows the revolutionary socialist model of a revolutionary movement of the immense majority." Read the description.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:31:03.6530217-05:00
@PetersSmith If you see my position on the Political spectrum, I'm on the far left, but not far left enough to be a communist: http://www.debate.org/UtherPenguin/photos/album/4545/29679/
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:32:13.6147679-05:00
@PetersSmith Oh wait, I read the poll option incorrectly. The only communist values I would spite would be "tyranny by proletariat" and it's anti-theism.
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:33:18.3152126-05:00
UtherPenguin: The Russian Revolution resulted in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, at least until Lenin died. So you're contradicting yourself right now.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:37:08.9164589-05:00
@PetersSmith Well I changed my option upon realizing that. I'm a Socialist, but not a Communist.
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:38:19.1958104-05:00
UtherPenguin: Revolutionary socialism strongly focuses on the "transition process" to communism, so you're still contradicting yourself. "Yes, like the one in Russia."
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:39:45.9334784-05:00
@PetersSmith I wouldn't support a Bolshevik style revolution. But I'm still a Socialist. Now am I contradicting myself?
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:42:44.9615142-05:00
UtherPenguin: Well, now that you literally just changed your values, no. I don't think there is one example in history of a non-Bolshevik revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_socialism I think you may want to reassess what your beliefs are.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:45:01.8993487-05:00
@PetersSmith Oh, I get it. I used the wrong Socialism. I'm not sure what Socialism I fit into.
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:45:44.9289765-05:00
UtherPenguin: Maybe democratic socialism?
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:47:18.4617759-05:00
@PetersSmith Maybe. I'll just take the MyPoliticalCompass quiz again.
PetersSmith says2015-07-02T15:47:59.7297743-05:00
UtherPenguin: The quiz doesn't tel you what ideology you support.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-02T15:49:20.6581295-05:00
@PetersSmith I'll just make a thread about it then
reece says2015-07-02T22:08:39.4353953-05:00
In the first weak half of America would be killed off via friendly fire.
Haroush says2015-07-03T06:52:33.5952590-05:00
"I would fight for my country and its values against either communist invaders or a communist revolution, regardless of odds. Better dead than red." Those of you who have picked this answer are awfully coy or your IQ isn't so high...
Donderpants says2015-07-03T06:57:52.6908085-05:00
I would have worse qualms with ending someone else's life than losing my own... War is a horrible thing, and so I would not fight for my country. Nor any other thing.
Haroush says2015-07-03T07:04:58.6230489-05:00
If someone is a threat to our national security kind of like ISIS, I wouldn't mind breaking their neck or slitting their throat. They will kill you and just keep killing others, so in defense of yourself and others, you have a moral obligation to kill people like that or at least bring them to justice by other means if possible.
Donderpants says2015-07-03T07:14:39.1197719-05:00
I'm from NZ. We don't have that sort of thing to worry about. I would not kill a person, regardless of how despicable they are.
PetersSmith says2015-07-03T15:37:24.6020828-05:00
Rphk123: It's an internal revolution or invasion, meaning the revolution is starting in your country or your country is the one being invaded.

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