Would you support a needle exchange program?

Posted by: PetersSmith

Drug addiction itself is bad already, and dirty or infected needles are an additional danger for drug addicts. To help, a needle exchange program will help the addicts get clean needles for their needs, while also offering them help in getting clean and living a normal life again.

  • Yes, I would support a needle exchange program. It would be a good way to fight drug abuse in the long run.

  • No, I would not support a needle exchange program. That's enabling.

33% 3 votes
67% 6 votes
  • Needle transmitted sickness remain more prevalent in illegal drug users without gov't funded clean needles? Steady as she goes ... Giving them clean ones for the purpose of doing something illegal is like giving a gun to a bank robber to ensure his safety during a robbery against a mob of unarmed people.

  • why should we help pathetic drug addicts?

  • Yeah, I'm not spending a single dollar on any drugs or anything like that.

  • The focus should be on getting them out of drugs. If you know they're on drugs, you should get them out of drugs, not let them do drugs safely.

  • No, that would encourage drugs.

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TBR says2015-05-01T20:44:14.5509881-05:00
Yes, they work!
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T20:46:36.3529909-05:00
I would support them all exchanging used dirty needles amongst each other.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T20:48:28.6900311-05:00
I need a rundown on this. How does this work exactly? Is it like that Simpsons episode where Homer wins a free boat and all he has to do is pick it up at the police station, wink wink.
PetersSmith says2015-05-01T20:49:10.8105711-05:00
FreedomBeforeEquality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_exchange_programme
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T20:49:39.6651266-05:00
Come get your free needles down at the local precinct. Just walk all the way to the back of the holding cell ... They're there.
TBR says2015-05-01T20:51:03.3224722-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - They have been around since the 60', and have been incredibly successful.
TBR says2015-05-01T20:52:46.0143060-05:00
Right, and wasting our tax dollars paying for HIV, and other health problems, or prison is SO much more useful.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T20:54:27.0578255-05:00
How does reducing harm to the user reduce use of the drug itself? I don't get the motivation there. Wikipedia only says the WHO likes it because it protects bad people from their due punishment. I still don't get where the choice to quit comes from.
TBR says2015-05-01T20:56:51.4688769-05:00
"How does reducing harm to the user reduce use of the drug itself?" - It don't. Not the intent. || "I don't get the motivation there." - Reduce the problems associated with the use we know is going to happen, and the consequences || "Wikipedia only says the WHO likes it because it protects bad people from their due punishment. I still don't get where the choice to quit comes from." - Nothing to do with quitting.
TBR says2015-05-01T20:57:28.2073479-05:00
Its doesn't. Sorry, typing very off tonight.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T21:20:01.4934975-05:00
Poster stated ''help in getting clean and living a normal life again.'' What of that? That's where I got that intent from. If its all health related, then no. I thought for sure someone was going to try and throw some miracle statistic about how it actually reduced drug use. I would have had to eat my shoe ...
TBR says2015-05-01T21:23:37.2442635-05:00
"Poster stated ''help in getting clean and living a normal life again.'' What of that?" - I have never associated that with the mission. I would guess there are services available too, however, it is not the primary intent. || "That's where I got that intent from. If its all health related, then no." - It is a health issue. || "I thought for sure someone was going to try and throw some miracle statistic about how it actually reduced drug use. I would have had to eat my shoe ..." - Well... I might be able to make that point work, but I don't care. The thing is to reduce reuse of needles.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T21:31:46.4197349-05:00
Ok. Thanks for the clarification. In that case I do not find them justified.
TBR says2015-05-01T21:32:45.3884909-05:00
Pennies for HUGH savings for society.
TBR says2015-05-01T21:38:19.6794277-05:00
It is estimated that the average annual cost of HIV care per person in the United States is US$15,745. Those with advanced HIV had an annual estimated cost of US$40,678.[16] Depending on when infection is detected and when the treatment process begins, it is estimated that, as of November 2006, the total lifetime healthcare costs of HIV care are between US$303,000 and $619,000.[17] In the U.S., the cost per needle at a NEP is approximately US$0.97, whereas the estimated cost the daily does of HIV medication Truvada is US$36.[18]
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T21:43:39.4580763-05:00
Yeah. Sounds like it keeps them alive long enough to drain their savings, pensions, and social security. Then the money can go elsewhere. Less to illegal drugs ... More to medical research and treatments. Prevention needles provide no funds or medical data about the illness to the system ... And we know where all their personal saved funds from the program go ... Right back to drugs.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T21:45:16.0077141-05:00
I think it comes down to where you want the money flow to go ... Illegality or medical treatment and research.
TBR says2015-05-01T21:50:06.1573512-05:00
"Yeah. Sounds like it keeps them alive long enough to drain their savings, pensions, and social security." - What? The majority have none of this. || "Then the money can go elsewhere. Less to illegal drugs ... More to medical research and treatments." - Needed too. || "Prevention needles provide no funds or medical data about the illness to the system ..." - I don't get this point || "And we know where all their personal saved funds from the program go ... Right back to drugs." - They recover or don't regardless of the program. The difference is it COST less.
TBR says2015-05-01T21:51:50.4119705-05:00
How about we take the MONSTROUS WASTE OF MONEY imprisoning, and use that?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T21:59:01.4240827-05:00
So the real problem is that we created a treatment that prolongs their life long enough for them to become a more severe burden than they ever were before. Were it that we had a total cure, no treatment *or* no treatment, no cure ... Both instances would save more money.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T21:59:38.5427721-05:00
How would we use the jail money more efficiently?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T22:02:15.8083883-05:00
Also ... People collect on pensions and SS early when diagnosed terminally ill. AIDS is still considered terminally ill. Also they might find themselves mortgaging things etc. Generally wrecking their estate. That's the kind of behind the scenes damage I would like to see and come to expect from nature when people f up.
TBR says2015-05-01T22:03:19.1608005-05:00
If they use the drug more safely, they run less risk of becoming a burden on the healthcare system (costs), and may get off the drug. If they become sick, regardless if they die at some point, the costs are on US. This is not some silly liberal thing, it is simple costs. How would I use jail money better? How about NOT spending it on NON violent offenders, and spend that on treatment? Less, MUCH less costly.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T22:10:17.7088304-05:00
You could just as easily reduce that burden by cutting off medical support from the government the second you learned their illness was induced by the use of illegal substances on a regular basis. Make a requirement for benefits, like we do with most others. You cant be an addict and use the system ... Simple solution.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T22:12:43.3379655-05:00
Drug testing, parole type officers that come check on you and make sure youre on the mend. I think even normal people could appreciate a gov't rep coming around so that they could voice their complaints or get up to date information on programs from ... And they could serve the dual purpose of making sure the person receiving benefits was legit.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T22:13:50.1420899-05:00
A lot less exploited loopholes from other types of offenders and burdens to the system as well.
TBR says2015-05-01T22:37:59.2134675-05:00
""You could just as easily reduce that burden by cutting off medical support from the government the second you learned their illness was induced by the use of illegal substances on a regular basis. Make a requirement for benefits, like we do with most others. You cant be an addict and use the system ... Simple solution." - Not so simple Then you get actual crime. When people have need, they will fill that need. The logical outcome is criminality.
TBR says2015-05-01T22:38:49.3993109-05:00
"Drug testing, parole type officers that come check on you and make sure youre on the mend. I think even normal people could appreciate a gov't rep coming around so that they could voice their complaints or get up to date information on programs from ... And they could serve the dual purpose of making sure the person receiving benefits was legit." No problem with this.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T22:43:19.9880822-05:00
"Not so simple Then you get actual crime. When people have need, they will fill that need. The logical outcome is criminality." Theyre already being criminals though regardless ... All youre doing is cutting them off gov't support. Taking away rights based on criminal action isn't an odd thing to do. Felons lose many rights and gov't privileges ... Why cant medical benefits be one of them.
TBR says2015-05-01T22:55:21.4485880-05:00
"Theyre already being criminals though regardless ... All youre doing is cutting them off gov't support. Taking away rights based on criminal action isn't an odd thing to do. Felons lose many rights and gov't privileges ... Why cant medical benefits be one of them." - Are you being obtuse? What is the social harm from violent criminality vs simple drug use? What is the social harm from death on the streets vs. Low cost needle exchanges?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T23:04:38.2928706-05:00
You mean the bigger harm isn't that we'd be perpetuating their drug use on the streets? It's not simple drug use ... These are injectables. "What is the social harm from death on the streets?" They're still on the streets, though, regardless. You said yourself that it isn't the aim of these needles to get them off the drugs ... Or off the streets for that matter. Just to ensure they don't die earlier from what they brought on themselves.
TBR says2015-05-01T23:17:14.2134738-05:00
Lets take it a step at a time.
TBR says2015-05-01T23:18:53.3901309-05:00
1) We have been trying to eliminate heroin (lets stick with just this drug right now) for a very lone time. The best we can do, or hope to do is to control it. It has never gone away, and never will. Do you agree?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-01T23:25:07.1085221-05:00
Yes.
CyberConor says2015-05-02T12:48:42.1036090-05:00
Why should we ban heroin? Just let them destroy themselves. Why should I care about what you do to yourself? I'm not your parent.
TBR says2015-05-02T18:58:31.3541448-05:00
2) We would like to LOWER costs overall while, if possible, help citizens get off the drug, right?
CyberConor says2015-05-03T11:55:14.7209634-05:00
Nope, they choose it themselves, I'm not telling them anything, or helping them.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-04T15:34:45.8131197-05:00
You said that second part is not happening though. Lower costs yes.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-04T15:36:11.2150603-05:00
@CyberConner Heroin use is destructive enough to non-users too, to the point that it is an issue if people are using it around me. Choice or no.

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